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Lee-Lee

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22. Sometimes this place befuddles me

Thu May 29, 2014, 09:59 AM

May 2014

Last edited Thu May 29, 2014, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I've seen people say all gun owners should be imprisoned.

I've seen people say ban all guns and lock away anyone who doesn't comply.

Everyone agrees violent crime, with guns or not, is a problem.

But let someone who commits a violent crime with a gun, the exact kind of problem people want to ban guns to prevent, get a stiff sentence and people suddenly have problems with it?

Sometimes I wonder if the more irrational and extreme gun phobia here isn't about something other than crime. People angry when a person who commits a gun crime gets a stuff punishment for it doesn't jive with the rest of the attitude from most here about guns.

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16-year-old sent to Utah prison for 15 years after judge changes terms of plea deal [View all] villager May 2014 OP

Ahh - poor baby Dems2002 May 2014 #1

The for-profit prison system will soon make your prediction quite true, I'm afraid Tsiyu May 2014 #3

This malaise May 2014 #10

Very interesting analogy... ljm2002 May 2014 #8

sick stupid judicial system defacto7 May 2014 #2

No "Affluenza" for you!!! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #4

That "nice, sweet young boy" robbing people at gunpoint is "really soft and tender emotionally". DetlefK May 2014 #5

Nice you sympathize with drug dealers. former9thward May 2014 #29

You must think it's ok to rape a prostitute too Lee-Lee May 2014 #36

How do you justify the other sentences? former9thward May 2014 #37

Why don't you ask the judge? LisaL May 2014 #38

Authoritarians always revert to authority. former9thward May 2014 #41

Give me more info and I can judge Lee-Lee May 2014 #43

"and I can judge" former9thward May 2014 #46

Umm, you asked my opinion on something, then get upset when I say I need more info to judge? Lee-Lee May 2014 #48

We sentence people more harshly than any other Western country. former9thward May 2014 #50

Ok so what is an appropriate sentence for: Lee-Lee May 2014 #53

The appropriate sentence was the one the prosecutor and defense agreed upon. former9thward May 2014 #55

Because 180 days is a joke for the crimes Lee-Lee May 2014 #56

If he wasn't a criminal at heart before... tecelote May 2014 #6

Sounds like a real sweet boy Dorian Gray May 2014 #7

“He's just a nice, sweet little boy" Lee-Lee May 2014 #9

He's still a child malaise May 2014 #11

At 16 he knew well enough he was wrong nt Lee-Lee May 2014 #12

What?? JJChambers May 2014 #13

The VICTIMS were drug dealers. former9thward May 2014 #33

Here we see why the US holds more prisoners than any country in the world. tecelote May 2014 #26

So armed robbers shouldn't get prison time? LisaL May 2014 #40

Prison Time: 3 Months and a record. tecelote May 2014 #42

3 months? Lee-Lee May 2014 #44

A sixteen year kid doesn't always have good judgment dem in texas May 2014 #57

The new sentence is ONE to fifteen years. Misleading headline. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #14

Exactly customerserviceguy May 2014 #60

At first I thought he was just a burglar and I was going to say 15 years is way too much stevenleser May 2014 #15

I don't know the details of this kids' part in the robbery Tsiyu May 2014 #17

Why is there no chance of that? He will probably be out by age 21 if not sooner. stevenleser May 2014 #18

I could tell you horror stories Tsiyu May 2014 #20

I've read a lot about how bad the prisons can be and that's a shame. stevenleser May 2014 #23

After reading some details Tsiyu May 2014 #24

He was the one who reportedly brought the guns. LisaL May 2014 #35

Probably taken advantage of by the older boys who knew his daddy had guns. haele May 2014 #61

I think it's a good sentence. JVS May 2014 #47

Either we are serious about gun crime or we are not hack89 May 2014 #16

Sometimes this place befuddles me Lee-Lee May 2014 #22

Punk's victims probably also "cried and begged for mercy." This wasn't shoplifting. WinkyDink May 2014 #19

UNREC brooklynite May 2014 #21

Yep. Metric shit tons of spin. redqueen May 2014 #25

Anyone know what "one to fifteen years" will actually mean? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #27

Well, given that the judge already overrode a *plea bargain* agreed to by all sides... villager May 2014 #28

I don't think judicial overreach is the problem here. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #30

I think it's a big problem -- it kills the whole point of a "plea bargain" villager May 2014 #39

His lawyer should have warned him this could happen. LisaL May 2014 #32

That's what bothered me most about this report KansDem May 2014 #51

Exactly. Stunning how many here so easily sign off on that aspect of it villager May 2014 #52

The "nice, sweet young boy" should have stayed home instead of participating in a home invasion. LisaL May 2014 #31

well whatever you think of the sentence and the conditions, he's getting out in 15 years CreekDog May 2014 #34

No, he is getting out in 1-15 years Lee-Lee May 2014 #45

I too am amazed at the posts on this thread. Jenoch May 2014 #49

The disconnect is amazing Lee-Lee May 2014 #54

Its odd that a 16 year old Go Vols May 2014 #58

Whatever punishes kids the most, I guess villager May 2014 #59