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LeftishBrit

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255. I think there 's a difference between supporting right-libertarian views...

Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:01 AM

Jun 2014

and supporting whistle-blowing against surveillance. Nothing to say that a right-winger can't be a whistleblower; indeed someone who is involved in security or surveillance work in the first place, and therefore in a position to blow the whistle on such issues (this as such refers to Snowden rather than Greenwald, but obviously Greenwald is a strong supporter of Snowden) is probably more likely to be RW than LW. It is possible to support their whistle-blowing, without thinking that they have the right views on everything, or that they should be supported if they stand for office.

And if you check my posts - I have been warning of the dangers of Paul-type right-libertarianism, and progressive alliances with right-libertarians, since at least 2007. This still does not affect my view of whistle-blowing.

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Should DU allow rightwing propaganda to be promoted here? [View all] geek tragedy May 2014 OP

New here, was surprised how little tolerance for the liars there was here randys1 May 2014 #1

We could allow truthful statements rock May 2014 #90

Exactly, on any issue of the past 40 yrs where left and right disagree, the right is wrong 100% of randys1 May 2014 #95

I usually say the left is right about 90% of the time. Laelth May 2014 #142

But can you name one thing , I cant randys1 Jun 2014 #211

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 May 2014 #134

Additional note rock May 2014 #171

No ismnotwasm May 2014 #2

I agree. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #3

Exactly Bobbie Jo May 2014 #43

Yep, we're swimming in it. It pollutes the cultural air we breathe. Glad others expose themselves to ancianita May 2014 #58

Yeah, it's not DU material... I think... freshwest Aug 2014 #257

+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #227

if people here want to discuss rw crap they can goto discussionist. if there were no other leftyohiolib May 2014 #4

I agree. This is not the place for right wing crap. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #131

Everyone agreed to the TOS when they signed here so I say no RW bull. hrmjustin May 2014 #5

My neighbor is free to spew bullshit on the sidewalk, but I don't tolerate it in my home. . . Journeyman May 2014 #6

Well, to be fair... pipi_k May 2014 #7

I don't disagree. People should feel free to blast the President, or Democrats in Congress, geek tragedy May 2014 #9

Yeah, that's the problem. pipi_k May 2014 #152

Absolutely. justgamma May 2014 #166

Yep pipi_k May 2014 #182

I'd rather praise the president and Dems for doing something something left Skittles May 2014 #184

Nor should they allow Libertarian propaganda…But it is here and we pretty much know who espouses it. Tikki May 2014 #8

I'm with you... greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #11

Not even disguised anymore... freshwest Aug 2014 #258

I can't believe some of the garbage that gets posted here. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #261

Some of it is just *inane.* It's like claiming territory the way a dog does on a tree. freshwest Aug 2014 #262

Okay, I'll bite: Who espouses Libertarian propaganda here? Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #25

when the same people attack the affordable care act incessantly, and somehow geek tragedy May 2014 #30

Rabid Paulites are one thing. But I don't see that many of them around here (for long). Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #53

Favoring Medicare For All, or being against the for-profit ACA, is not libertarian Doctor_J May 2014 #150

We are not allowed to call out names here. Tikki May 2014 #48

I must have missed some stuff, but... Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #77

Problem is with those here who continue to address real issues with their libertarian interjections. Tikki May 2014 #88

Maybe. If they're posting about drug policy, the NSA, or foreign wars, then I probably agree. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #104

Not totally off topic JustAnotherGen May 2014 #132

Probably not. But if he was in the Senate and voted the right way, I think we'd take the vote. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #189

I consider much of the 3rd way/DLC propaganda to be right wing PowerToThePeople May 2014 #10

the community does. Cerrtainly you would concede that if 3rd way,DLC stuff is rightwing geek tragedy May 2014 #12

Personally, I would trade banning teleprompter jokes for banning 3rd way on DU PowerToThePeople May 2014 #15

how do you define 3rd way? it's an awfully vague concept. geek tragedy May 2014 #33

Certainly not vague. PowerToThePeople May 2014 #47

so, you find everything on that page objectionable and a violation of community standards? geek tragedy May 2014 #55

Obviously PowerToThePeople May 2014 #69

So, you're against the 3rd Way - except when you're not. baldguy May 2014 #91

Maybe there is a decent post or idea PowerToThePeople May 2014 #97

Everyone who declines to label themselves overtly as a Democrat is the enemy? baldguy May 2014 #100

You are a funny-guy PowerToThePeople May 2014 #112

Bill Clinton & John Kerry are fascists now? baldguy May 2014 #143

Baiting yet again? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #191

The poster expressed disaproval for 3rd Way Democrats, implying they were fascists. baldguy Jun 2014 #193

they are fascists. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #196

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #231

That would include Hillary treestar Jun 2014 #205

OK. Should this article from thirdway.org not be allowed on DU? Nye Bevan May 2014 #67

Should all comics from WA Post be banned from DU PowerToThePeople May 2014 #71

You argued that "Third way should be banned from DU" and when asked to define exactly what you meant Nye Bevan May 2014 #75

it is my opinion PowerToThePeople May 2014 #83

Markos never banned 3rd way Democrats from Dkos. MohRokTah May 2014 #89

Right? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #52

Yes, it does treestar Jun 2014 #204

who gets to judge? dunno Leme May 2014 #23

+100 nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #87

Yes. LWolf May 2014 #145

I had never heard of Third Way until about two years ago and only on DU Number23 May 2014 #177

I became familiar with the "Third Way" at Democrats.com Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #185

welcome to DU PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #187

Thank you. Good to meet you. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #209

I agree 100% Number23 Jun 2014 #241

Your 2nd paragraph says it all... Thanks. freshwest Aug 2014 #259

My viewpoint is that there are a lot of DUers who want to live in an echo chamber Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #13

Do you think such material should be promoted here, though? geek tragedy May 2014 #20

"With due respect" means you have no respect whatsoever Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #50

Your slip is beginning to show. "his talent for being able to read from a teleprompter." geek tragedy May 2014 #54

That's right. A vast army of paid wingnuts posts their propaganda here every day Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #61

not paid, volunteers. and they are legion. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #65

So a vast legion of agent provacateurs is posting cartoons you don't find funny Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #81

willy made an innocent mistake. the problem is not that it was unfunny, it was that it was geek tragedy May 2014 #116

OK, first, go post in Cal Peggy's WC Green thread Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #179

Willy has earned the benefit of the doubt. geek tragedy May 2014 #180

That slip has been showing for a while now. Squinch May 2014 #120

+1...nt SidDithers May 2014 #144

Really? How so? Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #181

Some of us didn't know it was a right wing attack though. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #207

OT PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #210

It is actually against the law. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #217

Not illegal, I think it falls under civil law. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #218

If nothing else, this has been an interesting geek tragedy Jun 2014 #213

Do we all agree as to what "rightwing propaganda" is? brooklynite May 2014 #14

no two definitions of rightwing will exactly match, but some material no doubt geek tragedy May 2014 #16

See #15 above... brooklynite May 2014 #32

Absolutely, why because being a bigot is an indicator of being a piece of shit not political polarit TheKentuckian May 2014 #147

On what basis do you say Buckley was an atheist? Jim Lane Jun 2014 #206

Apparently from some faulty memory, I'll delete that. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #234

If Rush says it, it is. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #216

I come here to escape right wing nut jobs etherealtruth May 2014 #17

there really has never been any danger of non-rightwing criticism of the geek tragedy May 2014 #26

I didn't think you did etherealtruth May 2014 #37

i think that's roughly the same issue-the idea that all kinds of material geek tragedy May 2014 #39

I come here to escape the idiots etherealtruth May 2014 #41

But someone opened a back door for them! bettyellen May 2014 #168

That door has been a port of entry since I came here etherealtruth May 2014 #169

The problem is that with the jury system, we have valid Democratic posts hidden regularly JJChambers May 2014 #18

I'm in the jury all the time and I never judge based on the alerter/poster, but how their words pro- ancianita May 2014 #76

LOL. nt Logical May 2014 #149

Who decides? n2doc May 2014 #19

juries. A jury hid the teleprompter cartoon, for example. Many people found that geek tragedy May 2014 #24

I am fine with the Jury system. n2doc May 2014 #27

what struck me was the absolute refusal to attempt to understand geek tragedy May 2014 #28

I don't know n2doc May 2014 #51

certainly the system seemed to work, I would agree geek tragedy May 2014 #56

And there were just as many vile insults hurled the other direction. bluesbassman May 2014 #45

so, in your view it was okay for people to trash the jurors and those geek tragedy May 2014 #46

That was my first post on the issue, so I'm not "still" trying to do anything. bluesbassman May 2014 #59

no, I am noting the obvious disagreement in values/vision for the site geek tragedy May 2014 #63

No, you are trying to frame site consensus to your POV. bluesbassman May 2014 #86

"as if you have some kind of omniscient ability to understand each and every poster's intent" geek tragedy May 2014 #101

LOL! Thanks for that geek! bluesbassman May 2014 #110

whatever you say impacts upon me and is redirected in the opposite vector geek tragedy May 2014 #113

See there? That's the kind of stuff that I enjoy reading from you. bluesbassman May 2014 #118

I think I like you. nt grasswire May 2014 #115

You mean the hacker cartoon? You want more WillyT blood? Why keep on with this? madfloridian May 2014 #78

because there were lots of words thrown around by geek tragedy May 2014 #111

When you accuse him of RW propaganda, that is actually an attack on him personally. madfloridian May 2014 #119

i am not 'accusing him of rw propaganda' geek tragedy May 2014 #124

Like the Warren Commission Report saying a lone nut killed JFK? Octafish May 2014 #21

You just keep being you, Octafish! nt msanthrope May 2014 #79

You understand my point, then. Octafish May 2014 #92

Lol! zappaman Jun 2014 #192

Dude, it was totally the BFEE... SidDithers Jun 2014 #197

Why do you denigrate me for pointing out the BFEE? Octafish Jun 2014 #199

Nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Jun 2014 #198

If it involves sharing content from octoberlib May 2014 #22

No, the community shouldn't allow it. It should be hidden, every time... SidDithers May 2014 #29

You know what? There's been so much shit come down the pipe Lars39 May 2014 #31

no, not at all. i think it would be horrible for a long-timer who's a good guy at heart geek tragedy May 2014 #35

Seems your the one ascribing nefarious motives. Lars39 May 2014 #40

no, you are simply wrong on that. I don't think willy's intent was bad at all. geek tragedy May 2014 #44

You sure have got all het up over an innocent mistake. Lars39 May 2014 #66

it wasn't the mistake, it was the absurd display put on by those geek tragedy May 2014 #108

You want to talk absurd displays? This thread is exhibit A. You are obsessed with WillyT. nt Electric Monk May 2014 #117

i am not the one who keeps bringing his name up geek tragedy May 2014 #121

Your denials are fooling only a very few. Obvious is obvious. Electric Monk May 2014 #125

did you just try to compare Scott Stantis and Tom Tomorrow? geek tragedy May 2014 #128

No, WillyT and Tom Tomorrow. Nice try, though. nt Electric Monk May 2014 #130

the cartoon was rightwing junk when it was published 15 months ago, and remains so. geek tragedy May 2014 #133

well, the person who started the thread protesting willy's hidden post geek tragedy Jun 2014 #239

Bingo (nt) malokvale77 May 2014 #151

what is a "rec list diary"? grasswire May 2014 #122

They're keeping a list of who recced which threads, sounds like. Electric Monk May 2014 #127

sorry, greatest page post, geek tragedy May 2014 #140

Bingo. Oakenshield May 2014 #155

I can judge for myself yallerdawg May 2014 #34

I chose the latter option. RW crap shouldn't be tolerated here. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #36

Still going after WillyT? Blue_In_AK May 2014 #38

Sigh, no. This is about commmunity standards, not personalities. geek tragedy May 2014 #42

I call BS. This is clearly about you not liking WillyT and wanting to drag this episode out more. nt Electric Monk May 2014 #85

you are the ones who keep making it about one DUer. you are projecting geek tragedy May 2014 #107

"I may be lying, but let me finish" in other words? ROFL. You started these threads. nt Electric Monk May 2014 #109

i posted the rebuttal to you and yours, sir, apparently it offends to have both points of view geek tragedy May 2014 #114

Yes, that is what is happening. This is the 2nd post doing so. madfloridian May 2014 #84

I'm not going to respond to the poll Blue_In_AK May 2014 #96

Ha. Me neither. madfloridian May 2014 #98

Permoted, NO. Exposed yes................... wandy May 2014 #49

certainly. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #57

No, rightwing propaganda shouldn't be allowed per Community Standards. Shandris May 2014 #60

Everyone has a different definition of "wingnut propaganda". Nye Bevan May 2014 #62

RW claptrap is effusive knownow May 2014 #64

No save with some exceptions PFunk May 2014 #68

Third Way is corporatist and right wing. woo me with science May 2014 #70

What a pantload. MADem May 2014 #80

"Pantload." An excellent description of Third Way propaganda. woo me with science May 2014 #82

An excellent description of that shovelful you just flung. MADem May 2014 #93

Bwah! woo me with science May 2014 #172

If you want a website full of people that ONLY think like YOU, start one. MADem May 2014 #173

"It'll be a real humdinger of a discussion" Number23 May 2014 #178

LOL Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #214

This isn't even a topic for debate. There's only one "right" answer. MADem May 2014 #72

Meta! Iggo May 2014 #73

I didn't get a harumph outta that guy... bluesbassman May 2014 #106

Yes it is (nt) malokvale77 May 2014 #153

Here's the problem I see ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #74

I'm not talking about mainstream Dems or stuff like this. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #240

That's egregiously foul, I agree... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #246

Correct. freshwest Aug 2014 #260

Good grief Aerows May 2014 #94

There is a difference betweem discussing and promoting. Mz Pip May 2014 #99

If you want to see what they are saying turn on FAUX news TBF May 2014 #105

It's already prohibited although TBF May 2014 #102

Should constant rah, rah, rah, siss boom bah be required here? hobbit709 May 2014 #103

obviously not, it takes a very small mind to be incapable of distinguishing geek tragedy May 2014 #126

No, and while we're at it... Oilwellian May 2014 #123

define "promoted" as you use it here. nt grasswire May 2014 #129

presented in a favorable light, implying agreement or geek tragedy May 2014 #136

simply posting something is "promoting" it? grasswire May 2014 #137

posting rightwing mockery of the president with a "lol" counts geek tragedy May 2014 #138

Well don't get angry at Elizabeth Warren Aerows May 2014 #174

Why would I be angry at her? I'm not. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #175

Good, I'd hope not Aerows May 2014 #176

I don't on te site anda it's not my job rrneck May 2014 #135

Freedom of speech applies to government censorship and punishment. NuclearDem May 2014 #139

No! They already mylye2222 May 2014 #141

This OP is witch hunt filth, and it makes DU suck really, really bad. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #146

I think this exercise has been very useful geek tragedy May 2014 #161

Oh the drama Bobbie Jo May 2014 #165

Should we allow call-outs, especially after called-out post and poster have served the punishment? Doctor_J May 2014 #148

Can I vote for this post as thread winner? Very good point! (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2014 #208

Fly Paper bahrbearian May 2014 #154

And the jury results are in.....and it was close.... aikoaiko May 2014 #156

some people just can't handle their opinions being challenged I guess. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #158

especially when they are in cartoon form (nt) The Straight Story May 2014 #167

You mean like when people promote religious right homophobes who also happen to be anti-porn? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #157

that's another poo-flinging contest. not interested nt geek tragedy May 2014 #159

Oh, okay. So under SOME circumstances it's okay for rightwing sources to be posted on DU Warren DeMontague May 2014 #162

bored with the porn debate. last word is yours nt geek tragedy May 2014 #163

Way to try to change the subject. But you brought up rightwing sources on DU. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #164

The 2nd term, as Cenk would say: "OF COUUUUURSE" alp227 May 2014 #160

Sorry but it t is not a question up for debate... The fact is DU does allow it... Ohio Joe May 2014 #170

Which right wing propaganda? JoeyT May 2014 #183

Comes down to how we define it. davidthegnome Jun 2014 #186

Basically if it doesn't violate SOP it's a jury issue ucrdem Jun 2014 #188

Why not? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #190

I have to wonder Savannahmann Jun 2014 #194

It isn't promoted here. pecwae Jun 2014 #195

I don't vote in push polls. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #200

people using rightwing sources to attack the president is an ongoing problem here. nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #238

never have fear of the other side..... beachbum bob Jun 2014 #201

Sure, in the same way frogmarch Jun 2014 #202

If they don't like limits to freedom of speech/expression, they should opt out of the Jury system. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #203

Why I chose the Pass option Jim Lane Jun 2014 #212

Just to be clear, the teleprompter thing geek tragedy Jun 2014 #221

Thank you, I was aware of all those facts when I came to the conclusion that differed from yours. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #230

Let me get this straight: geek tragedy Jun 2014 #232

No, let ME get something straight Jim Lane Jun 2014 #235

HELL, NO. By that I mean the obvious: Obama is trying to deny us our Bill of Rights, e.g. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #215

Poor WillyT. Bet he never posts cartoons about Chinese hackers again. lol madfloridian Jun 2014 #219

I bet no one posts teleprompter stuff again geek tragedy Jun 2014 #220

Just for the record, liberals have brought it up Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #222

Maher is not a liberal, and it is simply false geek tragedy Jun 2014 #223

You can apply any label you want to Maher. He joked about the teleprompter, and he's not a winger Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #224

...... madfloridian Jun 2014 #225

Back at ya! Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #229

no, I treat people pushing nonsense and falsehoods with some extra spice geek tragedy Jun 2014 #233

No "honest" person thinks this issue is worth the outrage you seem to be manifesting. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #242

There are overwhelming sources for RW propaganda, why introduce it on DU. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #226

NO, we come here from sanctuary from it lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #228

Kick... SidDithers Jun 2014 #236

LMAO. Saw the thread, and who posted it. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #237

Do you spend your time monitoring everyone else's sources??? Ever look for good stuff posted? madfloridian Jun 2014 #243

I could ask the same of you. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #244

That is baloney, and you know it. I jumped into this fray because a friend was hassled badly. madfloridian Jun 2014 #245

How many posts have you had hidden for geek tragedy Jun 2014 #247

I never had a post hidden. But this is the 2rd post since WillyT got timeout. It's overkill. madfloridian Jun 2014 #248

mad, yes....that is chilling speech on DU grasswire Jun 2014 #251

If not, then we shouldn't allow anything from Greenwald to be posted. berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #249

back in 2005, he was a borderline white nationalist in the tradition of Pat Buchanan. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #250

I think there 's a difference between supporting right-libertarian views... LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #255

The right wingers have plenty of outlets to spew their garbage. SheilaT Jun 2014 #252

LOL - and now you have a third thread about Willy T Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #253

I voted that RW propaganda should be against community standards... LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #254

Kick, to keep this out front of the "everything should be allowed" crowd...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #256