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40. You added to your post while I was writing my rerply so...

Sun Jun 8, 2014, 12:46 PM

Jun 2014

To be perectly honest, it is not a matter of making people with grievances "less irritating to the powerful."

It is a matter of getting average people who may be inadvertently supporting oppression to recognize the falicacy of their stereotypes, and to recognize the common humanity of people.

Yes, it does require a certain amount of shit stirring. But i also should be seen as a process.

IMO, gay-rights activists have made a positive difference. But what really made the difference has been getting previously homophobic people to recognize that the gay couple down the street were not a different exotic species, and are deserving of the same rights that straight people have, and the same "live and let live" tolerance they expect for themselves.

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If old white men feel maligned, they should take their own advice to minorities. [View all] bravenak Jun 2014 OP

DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2014 #1

I'm sorry. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #2

Here: Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #4

Exactly!! n/t KarenS Jun 2014 #6

thank you. ya. really not hard. any of it. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #7

Ouch. That about sums it up. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #32

Got it in one. Hekate Jun 2014 #34

always batting the eyelashes and feigning "no context". HA. bettyellen Jun 2014 #106

That's it. yardwork Jun 2014 #36

Yup. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #74

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #177

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #308

Not about you. bravenak Jun 2014 #5

He can read? without reading through the prism of his own experience? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #18

Yes!!!! I get tired of repeating. bravenak Jun 2014 #20

He uh JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #278

Yes, i believe he should explain that vote. bravenak Jun 2014 #279

You know Manny, I appreciate this response. Because in four words, you've not only msanthrope Jun 2014 #33

Usually people who are genuinely sorry aren't sarcastic. yardwork Jun 2014 #37

typical, no surprise heaven05 Jun 2014 #52

Saw a presentation on the KKK in Maine in the 1920s Android3.14 Jun 2014 #85

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #168

I wish there were prizes for great posts. I'd nominate this one. Squinch Jun 2014 #178

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #309

Why can't you see that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #179

He's comfortable in that space in real life, but just not on DU Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #223

I'd say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #231

I actually think that much of his fan club... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #237

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #244

Close call on this one, FYI. Laelth Jun 2014 #275

Thread winner! Winner, winner... Number23 Jun 2014 #251

Thank you! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #254

Ian Holm as Bilbo Baggins in The Fellowship of the Ring. Laelth Jun 2014 #276

Easy mistake to make when the sound of "whoosh" prevents us from a rational interpretation. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #304

Outstanding. redqueen Jun 2014 #3

This is what i was trying to explain but i just could not express it artfully. bravenak Jun 2014 #8

You may feel that you don't express yourself "artfully", bravenak, brer cat Jun 2014 #14

I don't want to make them into Soylent Green. bravenak Jun 2014 #16

... brer cat Jun 2014 #23

You express yourself perfectly well. Post 13 is a testament to that. redqueen Jun 2014 #29

Everyone knew that wasn't about all white men. If the shoe doesn't fit, why insist on wearing it? freshwest Jun 2014 #141

When these arguments come up, from now on can we just say: "If the shoe doesn't fit Squinch Jun 2014 #180

Yes, indeed! And quote the 'one of these things is not like the other' or post this: freshwest Jun 2014 #260

Fantastic post. Number23 Jun 2014 #253

Thanks, Number 23! freshwest Jun 2014 #277

As usual you JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #280

TY. Good morning to you, still haven't slept here, but the sun's coming up! freshwest Jun 2014 #282

Yes, I loved that bit too!! Number23 Jun 2014 #252

K&R Whisp Jun 2014 #9

talk about it! mackerel Jun 2014 #64

take your own advice to minorities noiretextatique Jun 2014 #10

Prime example.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #12

... noiretextatique Jun 2014 #15

As a White woman....I may not be a POC but I can extrapolate from the position of being a woman VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #11

Well, you know that map in the picture i was in front of? bravenak Jun 2014 #13

Heh,heh... Skidmore Jun 2014 #17

Some are playing a game. bravenak Jun 2014 #21

I think that there are people out there who fit into two groups. Skidmore Jun 2014 #22

take the advice you give to women noiretextatique Jun 2014 #62

K&R nt abelenkpe Jun 2014 #19

Cold But Fair, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #24

It's a matter of how these subjects are brought up. Armstead Jun 2014 #25

I said at the time i was trying to find a way to explain what i meant. bravenak Jun 2014 #26

i have a friend who says the problem is older/white/str8t/protestant males are afraid to compete randys1 Jun 2014 #28

I really wouldn't want to compete with me either. bravenak Jun 2014 #41

"i am awesome" awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #140

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #145

Yes you are awesome. FreedRadical Jun 2014 #188

You can piss me off and i will get over it in about an hour. bravenak Jun 2014 #236

You should talk to your friend about his stereotyping. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #61

The predictability of this response is off the charts... randys1 Jun 2014 #63

Indeed. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #77

That bus is NEVER late betsuni Jun 2014 #222

Me? bravenak Jun 2014 #68

I was referring to Randy and his bigoted friend. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #89

sigh randys1 Jun 2014 #142

So me?nt bravenak Jun 2014 #146

They cant be reasoned with on this, evolution is the answer randys1 Jun 2014 #172

Time. bravenak Jun 2014 #182

Really? You talk about your fellow progressives like that? I think you're the problem. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #196

you a progressive? heaven05 Jun 2014 #210

Are you? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #215

I refer you to post #4 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #187

Maybe he *is* an older white Protestant man. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #193

It's good to be honest, but sometimes filters are also helpful Armstead Jun 2014 #30

We are destroying the earth. bravenak Jun 2014 #39

You weren't nice enough. redqueen Jun 2014 #42

The tone argument is getting on my nerves. bravenak Jun 2014 #43

Same old same old. redqueen Jun 2014 #48

Just in case this post gets lost Armstead Jun 2014 #95

Well believe it or not, I can emphasize with you on that in some ways Armstead Jun 2014 #47

Except that i was not talking about her or you. bravenak Jun 2014 #53

I guess this gets down to a matter of individual style.... Armstead Jun 2014 #83

"...white men are irrelevant." No we're not. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #194

Now I really understand heaven05 Jun 2014 #218

And this was the same guy whining about being negatively stereotyped as a white male! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #233

of course heaven05 Jun 2014 #294

I think the people yelling at me should apologize for not noticing when these things are said . bravenak Jun 2014 #241

Let's just let this go Armstead Jun 2014 #219

The text of that post JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #281

A black lesbian commune? bravenak Jun 2014 #283

Works for me! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #284

Huzzah!! bravenak Jun 2014 #285

lovely heaven05 Jun 2014 #296

Yes we are. bravenak Jun 2014 #298

last line heaven05 Jun 2014 #295

"...the entire demographic she belongs to... makes her part of the problem." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #195

That was a typo on my part Armstead Jun 2014 #216

I agree we should all be careful of excessive broadbrushing. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #224

Plese see my otehr response. Armstead Jun 2014 #228

you did well heaven05 Jun 2014 #50

Well, i apologized for the hurt feelings but not the words. bravenak Jun 2014 #55

as you should heaven05 Jun 2014 #72

TELL. IT. Number23 Jun 2014 #255

it is great thing, actually noiretextatique Jun 2014 #71

This is it exactly JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #289

I might start one noiretextatique Jun 2014 #306

Just make sure you JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #307

Best post in this thread. Thanks. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #27

British people aren't a monolith. Those that were nationalist and reflexively got defensive when redqueen Jun 2014 #31

As I said above, it's a matter of how issues are addressed Armstead Jun 2014 #35

Nobody is making this personal but those who choose to be defensive. redqueen Jun 2014 #38

No, a better analogy would be... Armstead Jun 2014 #54

Who told anyone that they, *personally*, were inherently bad? Where's the quote? nt redqueen Jun 2014 #56

Nobody. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #57

This Armstead Jun 2014 #76

I have read this many times. bravenak Jun 2014 #80

No, you said "telling the peasant" - telling an individual that they are x. redqueen Jun 2014 #81

I'm an old (semi old) white man and I know a lot of old white men who are... Armstead Jun 2014 #84

Are you or were any of them upset by this book? redqueen Jun 2014 #90

Personally, no. ....Politically I think it was stupid. Armstead Jun 2014 #93

She posted that ON DU. redqueen Jun 2014 #94

I disagree with it and took it personally Armstead Jun 2014 #100

Do you seriously think I was referring to you? redqueen Jun 2014 #104

I haven't got time to keep going around this mulberry bush right now Armstead Jun 2014 #114

Then the men you know are most likely not the problem. Nor you yourself. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #198

"...unless they totally reject their entire lives instantly." What does this even mean? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #197

You added to your post while I was writing my rerply so... Armstead Jun 2014 #40

I do not have a problem with any harsh criticism of the british empire. pennylane100 Jun 2014 #96

Thoughtful reply, Armstead. enlightenment Jun 2014 #49

older white people are the GOP demographic...period noiretextatique Jun 2014 #65

That is a generalization and a sure formula for electoral defeat Armstead Jun 2014 #73

bullshit...it is a fact noiretextatique Jun 2014 #78

I face a lot of things. If you actually had any nuace in your argument, I might agree with you Armstead Jun 2014 #82

no I am not noiretextatique Jun 2014 #88

That's not in contention Armstead Jun 2014 #102

you seem to think that "not catered to as most important" = written off? bettyellen Jun 2014 #113

in the context of the tone of the whole post, yes Armstead Jun 2014 #115

well, that seems like part of the problem. the entitled feeling that you should remain catered to bettyellen Jun 2014 #117

Respectfully.....Wottaloadofcrap Armstead Jun 2014 #119

That was not respectful, nor was there any reason for you to take it personally. bettyellen Jun 2014 #123

"the entitled feeling that you should remain catered to..." Armstead Jun 2014 #152

"should remain catered to after generations of this group asking everyone else to play second fiddle bettyellen Jun 2014 #203

Well I can go along with that Armstead Jun 2014 #212

+1000000000 noiretextatique Jun 2014 #151

I don't understand it either betsuni Jun 2014 #239

+10,000 smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #312

again...I call bullshit noiretextatique Jun 2014 #130

The GOP is the party of very CONSERVATIVE white males (and femles) Armstead Jun 2014 #214

Duh...do we have to qualify that continuously? noiretextatique Jun 2014 #320

that is BS heaven05 Jun 2014 #70

And you are broadstroking an entire group of people yourself in the same damn way Armstead Jun 2014 #79

hey heaven05 Jun 2014 #87

No women ever vote for the GOP Armstead Jun 2014 #108

Never said any of that heaven05 Jun 2014 #120

I thought of including Anne Couler but..... Armstead Jun 2014 #121

ten-four heaven05 Jun 2014 #126

"...the whiners screaming of being a victim when they victimize others everyday..." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #200

These are 3D issues with no easy answers. Armstead Jun 2014 #227

I agree that there's good and bad in (nearly) everyone. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #232

There are people who trend more to the a'hole side of the equation...regardless of ideology Armstead Jun 2014 #235

great post. n Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #91

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #92

Well said. zeemike Jun 2014 #109

"...it is important to first recognize that demographic groups are not monolithic." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #192

find replace works well PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #44

I did not write the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #45

And... bravenak Jun 2014 #46

Don't plan alerting it PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #59

What do you think about this? bravenak Jun 2014 #60

I support PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #66

That post was bullcrap and generalizing black women as lacking birth control ed. bravenak Jun 2014 #67

So, baiting me PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #69

It was an honest request. bravenak Jun 2014 #75

I did see it PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #86

Do you see how easy it is to say something like that about people who look like me bravenak Jun 2014 #98

If someone had posted that PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #111

That person is still here posting and the jury did nit see the racism in the post. bravenak Jun 2014 #129

I am done talking to you PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #133

I asked you directly and showed it to you twice and asked if you saw it. bravenak Jun 2014 #138

The point is that another poster made an offensive generalization about an entire race nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #201

Thank you for the clarification PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #204

did I miss one of your posts? heaven05 Jun 2014 #158

No. I apologized that someones feeling were hurt, not for what i said. bravenak Jun 2014 #164

I understand heaven05 Jun 2014 #209

you know who else smeared black fathers as deadbeats? alp227 Jun 2014 #124

Yes it is. bravenak Jun 2014 #132

Just a question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #206

Wow PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #259

How the hell can posting to a public message board ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #261

Do you seriously think that makes any sense at all? nt redqueen Jun 2014 #51

Excellent ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #58

Your divisive approach won't work. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #97

This is an article not written by me. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #99

I'm well aware of that. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #101

I like the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #103

Learn from your elders. I have. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #112

I can't tell if you are being deliberately condescending or just simply have no idea how you are Number23 Jun 2014 #258

Did you decide not to bow out of this "cesspool" after all? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #262

Oh so you READ the AA forum, just have never posted in it, huh?? Number23 Jun 2014 #264

Between some recent choice vanity posts, OMG, yes. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #265

Well, your presence in the more than THREE YEARS that the forum has existed has been missed Number23 Jun 2014 #266

Looks like it's just reading the AA forum to find out what its members Cha Jun 2014 #270

Yep. Probably the first time they even clicked in there Number23 Jun 2014 #271

"It's"? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #291

Because it's very Meta, and I stayed clear of that group/forum/whatever as well. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #290

I just want everyone to see the forum here that you are dismissing as 'Meta' Number23 Jun 2014 #311

It says everything about them, 23. Poor things don't Cha Jun 2014 #314

"Us" v. "them." Bra-vo. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #317

Why would I want to spend my precious time in a forum... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #316

Your continued minimization and ignoring of what is discussed in the forum has been noted Number23 Jun 2014 #318

More insults... delightful. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #319

it is working quite well Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #110

True. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #116

That is, indeed, their right and their privilege to make liberal use of that feature so kindly Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #118

While others patrol the site with their itchy trigger fingers... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #125

You posted it without any kind of disparging comment. Kurska Jun 2014 #134

I agree with the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #136

Why is this the news standard defense? Kurska Jun 2014 #143

Then if it does not apply to you why not just move on. bravenak Jun 2014 #154

It is great that you've given up on defending this trash. Kurska Jun 2014 #156

I am done with trying to speak with you, sir. bravenak Jun 2014 #159

Oh I'm dreadfully sorry I keep forcing you to respond to every single comment I make. Kurska Jun 2014 #161

Oh i know what you want. bravenak Jun 2014 #170

Dang it didn't work Kurska Jun 2014 #171

"Therefore they are feeling feelings that they would not feel if they read it." WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #147

Did i say i was? bravenak Jun 2014 #150

These are your words: WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #165

They think the article is aimed at all of them. bravenak Jun 2014 #166

I see a fair number of old white men in that picture. Armstead Jun 2014 #174

LOL WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #184

Let's not stereotype anyone. CJCRANE Jun 2014 #105

It is an ARTICLE i did not write it. bravenak Jun 2014 #107

Here lemme go grab an article telling all gay people what they need to do Kurska Jun 2014 #131

I have no idea what you are going on about. bravenak Jun 2014 #135

I thought I was clear "addressing millions of people as homogeneous blobs is stupid." Kurska Jun 2014 #137

Read the article before you ask me questions about it. bravenak Jun 2014 #139

The first thing I did when I entered your thread was read your article LOL. Kurska Jun 2014 #144

Then you know i did not write it. bravenak Jun 2014 #148

What a hilarious defense Kurska Jun 2014 #153

Good bye, sir. bravenak Jun 2014 #155

See you champ and if I see any old white men I'll be sure to give them hell! Kurska Jun 2014 #160

No thanks buddy. bravenak Jun 2014 #173

I'm a gay man who has faced down plenty of homophobia in my life. Kurska Jun 2014 #176

I do not know you. I have also faced violence from males in racist attacks. bravenak Jun 2014 #181

I received some horrific violence both from people I don't know and most troubling Kurska Jun 2014 #186

DU is well aware of those statistics. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #189

Glad to see you mention an actual issue. The war on drugs is the new Jim Crow... Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #211

I love how the only issue you consider "real" gollygee Jun 2014 #213

That is not the only "real" issue. We face lots of real issues. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #217

you are a prime example heaven05 Jun 2014 #220

Except I'm not an old white person. Kurska Jun 2014 #305

no, you're wrong heaven05 Jun 2014 #310

and judge them by the content of their character, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #122

No I'm sorry we can't Kurska Jun 2014 #128

right heaven05 Jun 2014 #225

If people who try to talk to groups of millions of people as if they are identical feel maligned Kurska Jun 2014 #127

lol..I see what you did there.. Inkfreak Jun 2014 #286

This seems obviously to be specifically about "old white men who feel maligned" gollygee Jun 2014 #149

It is directed at those who feel maligned. bravenak Jun 2014 #157

I appreciate your post noiretextatique Jun 2014 #167

I sometime feel like i say things that people want to say, but know not to. bravenak Jun 2014 #169

no problem noiretextatique Jun 2014 #175

I am too. bravenak Jun 2014 #183

OK I'll say what I'm really thinking gollygee Jun 2014 #185

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #226

Me too. bravenak Jun 2014 #242

Either that Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #247

duh noiretextatique Jun 2014 #162

But, those who have no idea what they're talking about Insist Cha Jun 2014 #272

like the taxi driver said: " Are you talking to me?" answer here is no, just looks like it Leme Jun 2014 #163

I see you've offended the usual people who are wrong about everything. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #190

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #202

Replace "white" with "black" to see how racist a statement that is Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #191

But it's false equivalency. alp227 Jun 2014 #199

... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #205

yup, it's like the right wing always claiming christians are being oppressed and discirminated JI7 Jun 2014 #208

Exactly Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #245

+100. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Jun 2014 #287

It is? heaven05 Jun 2014 #300

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Jun 2014 #302

actually heaven05 Jun 2014 #303

Going through the article and links, I love this. It has something for everyone to feel good about. freshwest Jun 2014 #207

"Daily Caller editor Matt Lewis"? I just had member who tried to Cha Jun 2014 #221

excellent photo heaven05 Jun 2014 #301

Priceless look on the brother's face! nm Cha Jun 2014 #315

I am so glad I heaven05 Jun 2014 #229

You're welcome. Glad we could enlighten you Armstead Jun 2014 #230

me too heaven05 Jun 2014 #297

Thank you bravenak. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #234

No, thank you for the thread you did. bravenak Jun 2014 #243

"I think we need to hold the party's feet to the fire and help them progress on race issues." sheshe2 Jun 2014 #246

As an old white woman, I am INVISIBLE HockeyMom Jun 2014 #238

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2014 #240

After reading through 247 replies ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #248

I am glad you know i was not talking about you. bravenak Jun 2014 #250

Oh My God. But that I could rec this a HUNDRED times. Bravenak, girl WELL PLAYED Number23 Jun 2014 #249

Lewis is right. Dems and DUers have made the "White man" the root of all evil. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #256

Lewis is right? Just like how you defended Duck Dynasty and Chik-fil-A after homophobic remarks: Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #263

What now? Skip Intro Jun 2014 #267

ROFL! "just like you bla bla bla bla..." Sez ms self-delete. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #268

Hey, remember this? bravenak Jun 2014 #269

Right on topic! Skip Intro Jun 2014 #273

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2014 #274

Saw that on your FB feed JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #288

I was looking for something cool and there it was. bravenak Jun 2014 #292

Aw shucks! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #293

EXACT example heaven05 Jun 2014 #299

K&R! smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #313