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WorseBeforeBetter

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316. Why would I want to spend my precious time in a forum...

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:15 PM

Jun 2014

in which so many members consider DU a "cesspool"? I don't care for whining about DU, accusations of stalking and witch-hunts, the persecution complexes, etc. -- in ANY forum.

If you were to visit the NC group, you'd see that I have started numerous threads on issues that affect the AA community, including proposed dumping of fracking fluid in coastal counties with high AA populations, no Medicaid expansion, hospital closures in rural communities, repeal of the Racial Justice Act, exorbitant electric bills in poverty counties, and voter suppression.

Have you participated in those threads? It's a drama-free zone, and doesn't garner much attention. And if there's one thing DU does, it's drama. And division. The "old white" threads are perfect examples, and I'm happy to see the majority of my fellow DUers rejecting them.

I'll stick to this...

...not the nonsense I'm seeing on DU of late.

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If old white men feel maligned, they should take their own advice to minorities. [View all] bravenak Jun 2014 OP

DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2014 #1

I'm sorry. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #2

Here: Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #4

Exactly!! n/t KarenS Jun 2014 #6

thank you. ya. really not hard. any of it. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #7

Ouch. That about sums it up. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #32

Got it in one. Hekate Jun 2014 #34

always batting the eyelashes and feigning "no context". HA. bettyellen Jun 2014 #106

That's it. yardwork Jun 2014 #36

Yup. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #74

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #177

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #308

Not about you. bravenak Jun 2014 #5

He can read? without reading through the prism of his own experience? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #18

Yes!!!! I get tired of repeating. bravenak Jun 2014 #20

He uh JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #278

Yes, i believe he should explain that vote. bravenak Jun 2014 #279

You know Manny, I appreciate this response. Because in four words, you've not only msanthrope Jun 2014 #33

Usually people who are genuinely sorry aren't sarcastic. yardwork Jun 2014 #37

typical, no surprise heaven05 Jun 2014 #52

Saw a presentation on the KKK in Maine in the 1920s Android3.14 Jun 2014 #85

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #168

I wish there were prizes for great posts. I'd nominate this one. Squinch Jun 2014 #178

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #309

Why can't you see that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #179

He's comfortable in that space in real life, but just not on DU Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #223

I'd say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #231

I actually think that much of his fan club... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #237

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #244

Close call on this one, FYI. Laelth Jun 2014 #275

Thread winner! Winner, winner... Number23 Jun 2014 #251

Thank you! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #254

Ian Holm as Bilbo Baggins in The Fellowship of the Ring. Laelth Jun 2014 #276

Easy mistake to make when the sound of "whoosh" prevents us from a rational interpretation. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #304

Outstanding. redqueen Jun 2014 #3

This is what i was trying to explain but i just could not express it artfully. bravenak Jun 2014 #8

You may feel that you don't express yourself "artfully", bravenak, brer cat Jun 2014 #14

I don't want to make them into Soylent Green. bravenak Jun 2014 #16

... brer cat Jun 2014 #23

You express yourself perfectly well. Post 13 is a testament to that. redqueen Jun 2014 #29

Everyone knew that wasn't about all white men. If the shoe doesn't fit, why insist on wearing it? freshwest Jun 2014 #141

When these arguments come up, from now on can we just say: "If the shoe doesn't fit Squinch Jun 2014 #180

Yes, indeed! And quote the 'one of these things is not like the other' or post this: freshwest Jun 2014 #260

Fantastic post. Number23 Jun 2014 #253

Thanks, Number 23! freshwest Jun 2014 #277

As usual you JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #280

TY. Good morning to you, still haven't slept here, but the sun's coming up! freshwest Jun 2014 #282

Yes, I loved that bit too!! Number23 Jun 2014 #252

K&R Whisp Jun 2014 #9

talk about it! mackerel Jun 2014 #64

take your own advice to minorities noiretextatique Jun 2014 #10

Prime example.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #12

... noiretextatique Jun 2014 #15

As a White woman....I may not be a POC but I can extrapolate from the position of being a woman VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #11

Well, you know that map in the picture i was in front of? bravenak Jun 2014 #13

Heh,heh... Skidmore Jun 2014 #17

Some are playing a game. bravenak Jun 2014 #21

I think that there are people out there who fit into two groups. Skidmore Jun 2014 #22

take the advice you give to women noiretextatique Jun 2014 #62

K&R nt abelenkpe Jun 2014 #19

Cold But Fair, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #24

It's a matter of how these subjects are brought up. Armstead Jun 2014 #25

I said at the time i was trying to find a way to explain what i meant. bravenak Jun 2014 #26

i have a friend who says the problem is older/white/str8t/protestant males are afraid to compete randys1 Jun 2014 #28

I really wouldn't want to compete with me either. bravenak Jun 2014 #41

"i am awesome" awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #140

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #145

Yes you are awesome. FreedRadical Jun 2014 #188

You can piss me off and i will get over it in about an hour. bravenak Jun 2014 #236

You should talk to your friend about his stereotyping. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #61

The predictability of this response is off the charts... randys1 Jun 2014 #63

Indeed. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #77

That bus is NEVER late betsuni Jun 2014 #222

Me? bravenak Jun 2014 #68

I was referring to Randy and his bigoted friend. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #89

sigh randys1 Jun 2014 #142

So me?nt bravenak Jun 2014 #146

They cant be reasoned with on this, evolution is the answer randys1 Jun 2014 #172

Time. bravenak Jun 2014 #182

Really? You talk about your fellow progressives like that? I think you're the problem. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #196

you a progressive? heaven05 Jun 2014 #210

Are you? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #215

I refer you to post #4 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #187

Maybe he *is* an older white Protestant man. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #193

It's good to be honest, but sometimes filters are also helpful Armstead Jun 2014 #30

We are destroying the earth. bravenak Jun 2014 #39

You weren't nice enough. redqueen Jun 2014 #42

The tone argument is getting on my nerves. bravenak Jun 2014 #43

Same old same old. redqueen Jun 2014 #48

Just in case this post gets lost Armstead Jun 2014 #95

Well believe it or not, I can emphasize with you on that in some ways Armstead Jun 2014 #47

Except that i was not talking about her or you. bravenak Jun 2014 #53

I guess this gets down to a matter of individual style.... Armstead Jun 2014 #83

"...white men are irrelevant." No we're not. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #194

Now I really understand heaven05 Jun 2014 #218

And this was the same guy whining about being negatively stereotyped as a white male! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #233

of course heaven05 Jun 2014 #294

I think the people yelling at me should apologize for not noticing when these things are said . bravenak Jun 2014 #241

Let's just let this go Armstead Jun 2014 #219

The text of that post JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #281

A black lesbian commune? bravenak Jun 2014 #283

Works for me! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #284

Huzzah!! bravenak Jun 2014 #285

lovely heaven05 Jun 2014 #296

Yes we are. bravenak Jun 2014 #298

last line heaven05 Jun 2014 #295

"...the entire demographic she belongs to... makes her part of the problem." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #195

That was a typo on my part Armstead Jun 2014 #216

I agree we should all be careful of excessive broadbrushing. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #224

Plese see my otehr response. Armstead Jun 2014 #228

you did well heaven05 Jun 2014 #50

Well, i apologized for the hurt feelings but not the words. bravenak Jun 2014 #55

as you should heaven05 Jun 2014 #72

TELL. IT. Number23 Jun 2014 #255

it is great thing, actually noiretextatique Jun 2014 #71

This is it exactly JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #289

I might start one noiretextatique Jun 2014 #306

Just make sure you JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #307

Best post in this thread. Thanks. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #27

British people aren't a monolith. Those that were nationalist and reflexively got defensive when redqueen Jun 2014 #31

As I said above, it's a matter of how issues are addressed Armstead Jun 2014 #35

Nobody is making this personal but those who choose to be defensive. redqueen Jun 2014 #38

No, a better analogy would be... Armstead Jun 2014 #54

Who told anyone that they, *personally*, were inherently bad? Where's the quote? nt redqueen Jun 2014 #56

Nobody. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #57

This Armstead Jun 2014 #76

I have read this many times. bravenak Jun 2014 #80

No, you said "telling the peasant" - telling an individual that they are x. redqueen Jun 2014 #81

I'm an old (semi old) white man and I know a lot of old white men who are... Armstead Jun 2014 #84

Are you or were any of them upset by this book? redqueen Jun 2014 #90

Personally, no. ....Politically I think it was stupid. Armstead Jun 2014 #93

She posted that ON DU. redqueen Jun 2014 #94

I disagree with it and took it personally Armstead Jun 2014 #100

Do you seriously think I was referring to you? redqueen Jun 2014 #104

I haven't got time to keep going around this mulberry bush right now Armstead Jun 2014 #114

Then the men you know are most likely not the problem. Nor you yourself. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #198

"...unless they totally reject their entire lives instantly." What does this even mean? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #197

You added to your post while I was writing my rerply so... Armstead Jun 2014 #40

I do not have a problem with any harsh criticism of the british empire. pennylane100 Jun 2014 #96

Thoughtful reply, Armstead. enlightenment Jun 2014 #49

older white people are the GOP demographic...period noiretextatique Jun 2014 #65

That is a generalization and a sure formula for electoral defeat Armstead Jun 2014 #73

bullshit...it is a fact noiretextatique Jun 2014 #78

I face a lot of things. If you actually had any nuace in your argument, I might agree with you Armstead Jun 2014 #82

no I am not noiretextatique Jun 2014 #88

That's not in contention Armstead Jun 2014 #102

you seem to think that "not catered to as most important" = written off? bettyellen Jun 2014 #113

in the context of the tone of the whole post, yes Armstead Jun 2014 #115

well, that seems like part of the problem. the entitled feeling that you should remain catered to bettyellen Jun 2014 #117

Respectfully.....Wottaloadofcrap Armstead Jun 2014 #119

That was not respectful, nor was there any reason for you to take it personally. bettyellen Jun 2014 #123

"the entitled feeling that you should remain catered to..." Armstead Jun 2014 #152

"should remain catered to after generations of this group asking everyone else to play second fiddle bettyellen Jun 2014 #203

Well I can go along with that Armstead Jun 2014 #212

+1000000000 noiretextatique Jun 2014 #151

I don't understand it either betsuni Jun 2014 #239

+10,000 smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #312

again...I call bullshit noiretextatique Jun 2014 #130

The GOP is the party of very CONSERVATIVE white males (and femles) Armstead Jun 2014 #214

Duh...do we have to qualify that continuously? noiretextatique Jun 2014 #320

that is BS heaven05 Jun 2014 #70

And you are broadstroking an entire group of people yourself in the same damn way Armstead Jun 2014 #79

hey heaven05 Jun 2014 #87

No women ever vote for the GOP Armstead Jun 2014 #108

Never said any of that heaven05 Jun 2014 #120

I thought of including Anne Couler but..... Armstead Jun 2014 #121

ten-four heaven05 Jun 2014 #126

"...the whiners screaming of being a victim when they victimize others everyday..." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #200

These are 3D issues with no easy answers. Armstead Jun 2014 #227

I agree that there's good and bad in (nearly) everyone. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #232

There are people who trend more to the a'hole side of the equation...regardless of ideology Armstead Jun 2014 #235

great post. n Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #91

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #92

Well said. zeemike Jun 2014 #109

"...it is important to first recognize that demographic groups are not monolithic." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #192

find replace works well PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #44

I did not write the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #45

And... bravenak Jun 2014 #46

Don't plan alerting it PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #59

What do you think about this? bravenak Jun 2014 #60

I support PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #66

That post was bullcrap and generalizing black women as lacking birth control ed. bravenak Jun 2014 #67

So, baiting me PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #69

It was an honest request. bravenak Jun 2014 #75

I did see it PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #86

Do you see how easy it is to say something like that about people who look like me bravenak Jun 2014 #98

If someone had posted that PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #111

That person is still here posting and the jury did nit see the racism in the post. bravenak Jun 2014 #129

I am done talking to you PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #133

I asked you directly and showed it to you twice and asked if you saw it. bravenak Jun 2014 #138

The point is that another poster made an offensive generalization about an entire race nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #201

Thank you for the clarification PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #204

did I miss one of your posts? heaven05 Jun 2014 #158

No. I apologized that someones feeling were hurt, not for what i said. bravenak Jun 2014 #164

I understand heaven05 Jun 2014 #209

you know who else smeared black fathers as deadbeats? alp227 Jun 2014 #124

Yes it is. bravenak Jun 2014 #132

Just a question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #206

Wow PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #259

How the hell can posting to a public message board ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #261

Do you seriously think that makes any sense at all? nt redqueen Jun 2014 #51

Excellent ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #58

Your divisive approach won't work. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #97

This is an article not written by me. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #99

I'm well aware of that. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #101

I like the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #103

Learn from your elders. I have. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #112

I can't tell if you are being deliberately condescending or just simply have no idea how you are Number23 Jun 2014 #258

Did you decide not to bow out of this "cesspool" after all? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #262

Oh so you READ the AA forum, just have never posted in it, huh?? Number23 Jun 2014 #264

Between some recent choice vanity posts, OMG, yes. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #265

Well, your presence in the more than THREE YEARS that the forum has existed has been missed Number23 Jun 2014 #266

Looks like it's just reading the AA forum to find out what its members Cha Jun 2014 #270

Yep. Probably the first time they even clicked in there Number23 Jun 2014 #271

"It's"? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #291

Because it's very Meta, and I stayed clear of that group/forum/whatever as well. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #290

I just want everyone to see the forum here that you are dismissing as 'Meta' Number23 Jun 2014 #311

It says everything about them, 23. Poor things don't Cha Jun 2014 #314

"Us" v. "them." Bra-vo. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #317

Why would I want to spend my precious time in a forum... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #316

Your continued minimization and ignoring of what is discussed in the forum has been noted Number23 Jun 2014 #318

More insults... delightful. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #319

it is working quite well Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #110

True. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #116

That is, indeed, their right and their privilege to make liberal use of that feature so kindly Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #118

While others patrol the site with their itchy trigger fingers... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #125

You posted it without any kind of disparging comment. Kurska Jun 2014 #134

I agree with the article. bravenak Jun 2014 #136

Why is this the news standard defense? Kurska Jun 2014 #143

Then if it does not apply to you why not just move on. bravenak Jun 2014 #154

It is great that you've given up on defending this trash. Kurska Jun 2014 #156

I am done with trying to speak with you, sir. bravenak Jun 2014 #159

Oh I'm dreadfully sorry I keep forcing you to respond to every single comment I make. Kurska Jun 2014 #161

Oh i know what you want. bravenak Jun 2014 #170

Dang it didn't work Kurska Jun 2014 #171

"Therefore they are feeling feelings that they would not feel if they read it." WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #147

Did i say i was? bravenak Jun 2014 #150

These are your words: WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #165

They think the article is aimed at all of them. bravenak Jun 2014 #166

I see a fair number of old white men in that picture. Armstead Jun 2014 #174

LOL WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #184

Let's not stereotype anyone. CJCRANE Jun 2014 #105

It is an ARTICLE i did not write it. bravenak Jun 2014 #107

Here lemme go grab an article telling all gay people what they need to do Kurska Jun 2014 #131

I have no idea what you are going on about. bravenak Jun 2014 #135

I thought I was clear "addressing millions of people as homogeneous blobs is stupid." Kurska Jun 2014 #137

Read the article before you ask me questions about it. bravenak Jun 2014 #139

The first thing I did when I entered your thread was read your article LOL. Kurska Jun 2014 #144

Then you know i did not write it. bravenak Jun 2014 #148

What a hilarious defense Kurska Jun 2014 #153

Good bye, sir. bravenak Jun 2014 #155

See you champ and if I see any old white men I'll be sure to give them hell! Kurska Jun 2014 #160

No thanks buddy. bravenak Jun 2014 #173

I'm a gay man who has faced down plenty of homophobia in my life. Kurska Jun 2014 #176

I do not know you. I have also faced violence from males in racist attacks. bravenak Jun 2014 #181

I received some horrific violence both from people I don't know and most troubling Kurska Jun 2014 #186

DU is well aware of those statistics. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #189

Glad to see you mention an actual issue. The war on drugs is the new Jim Crow... Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #211

I love how the only issue you consider "real" gollygee Jun 2014 #213

That is not the only "real" issue. We face lots of real issues. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #217

you are a prime example heaven05 Jun 2014 #220

Except I'm not an old white person. Kurska Jun 2014 #305

no, you're wrong heaven05 Jun 2014 #310

and judge them by the content of their character, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #122

No I'm sorry we can't Kurska Jun 2014 #128

right heaven05 Jun 2014 #225

If people who try to talk to groups of millions of people as if they are identical feel maligned Kurska Jun 2014 #127

lol..I see what you did there.. Inkfreak Jun 2014 #286

This seems obviously to be specifically about "old white men who feel maligned" gollygee Jun 2014 #149

It is directed at those who feel maligned. bravenak Jun 2014 #157

I appreciate your post noiretextatique Jun 2014 #167

I sometime feel like i say things that people want to say, but know not to. bravenak Jun 2014 #169

no problem noiretextatique Jun 2014 #175

I am too. bravenak Jun 2014 #183

OK I'll say what I'm really thinking gollygee Jun 2014 #185

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #226

Me too. bravenak Jun 2014 #242

Either that Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #247

duh noiretextatique Jun 2014 #162

But, those who have no idea what they're talking about Insist Cha Jun 2014 #272

like the taxi driver said: " Are you talking to me?" answer here is no, just looks like it Leme Jun 2014 #163

I see you've offended the usual people who are wrong about everything. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #190

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #202

Replace "white" with "black" to see how racist a statement that is Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #191

But it's false equivalency. alp227 Jun 2014 #199

... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #205

yup, it's like the right wing always claiming christians are being oppressed and discirminated JI7 Jun 2014 #208

Exactly Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #245

+100. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Jun 2014 #287

It is? heaven05 Jun 2014 #300

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Jun 2014 #302

actually heaven05 Jun 2014 #303

Going through the article and links, I love this. It has something for everyone to feel good about. freshwest Jun 2014 #207

"Daily Caller editor Matt Lewis"? I just had member who tried to Cha Jun 2014 #221

excellent photo heaven05 Jun 2014 #301

Priceless look on the brother's face! nm Cha Jun 2014 #315

I am so glad I heaven05 Jun 2014 #229

You're welcome. Glad we could enlighten you Armstead Jun 2014 #230

me too heaven05 Jun 2014 #297

Thank you bravenak. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #234

No, thank you for the thread you did. bravenak Jun 2014 #243

"I think we need to hold the party's feet to the fire and help them progress on race issues." sheshe2 Jun 2014 #246

As an old white woman, I am INVISIBLE HockeyMom Jun 2014 #238

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2014 #240

After reading through 247 replies ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #248

I am glad you know i was not talking about you. bravenak Jun 2014 #250

Oh My God. But that I could rec this a HUNDRED times. Bravenak, girl WELL PLAYED Number23 Jun 2014 #249

Lewis is right. Dems and DUers have made the "White man" the root of all evil. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #256

Lewis is right? Just like how you defended Duck Dynasty and Chik-fil-A after homophobic remarks: Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #263

What now? Skip Intro Jun 2014 #267

ROFL! "just like you bla bla bla bla..." Sez ms self-delete. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #268

Hey, remember this? bravenak Jun 2014 #269

Right on topic! Skip Intro Jun 2014 #273

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2014 #274

Saw that on your FB feed JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #288

I was looking for something cool and there it was. bravenak Jun 2014 #292

Aw shucks! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #293

EXACT example heaven05 Jun 2014 #299

K&R! smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #313