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63. Even as to 2008, your comment still seems to me to be going to what may have swayed voters

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:46 AM

Jun 2014

in the primary, not what the PTB were thinking.

I was a huge Obama supporter during that primary, from very early on and defended him against, against both Hillaryites and Republicans and even I secretly thought that the fix had been from the higher ups for Obama, though I kept mum about that then. (I resolved a couple of years later that never again will I keep mum about either facts or my opinions simply out of sheer loyalty to one side or the other, but that is another story entirely.)

I am not getting from your posts what you think their respective primary campaigns had to do with who the PTB may have been backing. I think it was Obama all along, more secretly at first, but I thought it got pretty obvious as the primaries progressed.

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Think it's so easy? Try it yourself. [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP

As someone currently living on 19K a year, 8 million could make my life comfortable until death. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #1

Actually, that might be just enough to ruin it. Warpy Jun 2014 #49

You and me both! Initech Jun 2014 #87

Manny, George Carlin explained it all. He told us that there was this 'big club' and that we 'are sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #2

Bill only made $10 mil his first year out of office. I'm surprised they could afford rice and beans. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #3

I'm guessing your estimate of hundreds of thousands in legal bills is a gross napi21 Jun 2014 #8

They were, by their own numbers, entirely out of debt (including mortgages) by 2004. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #11

I see your point, but the was I heard Hillary, she said they were broke when they left the WH. napi21 Jun 2014 #86

And every single legal firm knew their post-Presidential earning potential and would have extended Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #15

Hillary gets $200,000 per speech from Goldman Sachs. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #20

someone doing an article on bill saw him at an atm. he glanced at the screen. it said roguevalley Jun 2014 #12

And that's probably only his checking account. merrily Jun 2014 #47

I worked desktop support for a large oil tools company KatyMan Jun 2014 #69

The speechwriter who thought it wise to whine about "broke". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4

Tone deaf. A couple of links on the "broke" issue: merrily Jun 2014 #61

Lol, that's a great answer! Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #84

Manny, Manny, Manny OverseaVisitor Jun 2014 #5

Those poor, poor Clintons. Only had a few mil to scrounge off of! Yep, "dead broke." How..privileged blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #6

Laugh it up now, chuckleheads gratuitous Jun 2014 #7

Flashback to 2004... Paulie Jun 2014 #10

I know what you mean bigtree Jun 2014 #13

Hillary is tone deaf when it comes to politics. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #21

faux argument about cruz. stay on topic roguevalley Jun 2014 #14

This is the right time. Hillary is not the only Democrat the Party can run. merrily Jun 2014 #17

hahahahahaa d_b Jun 2014 #28

Clintons? They could have shared our apartment, we always have an extra meal bigtree Jun 2014 #9

$8 million? In 2008, Hillary said they never had money until Bill left public service. merrily Jun 2014 #16

And how did a dirt poor Texas teacher like Lyndon Johnson vlakitti Jun 2014 #18

No one's been telling us for two years that he's the inevitable nominee in 2016, though. merrily Jun 2014 #23

He married money. Lady Bird was rich and a smart investor. She owned a media empire. MADem Jun 2014 #36

That was HER eight million; advance on HER book, paid long after she bought the house in NY. MADem Jun 2014 #33

Hence, my prior post excluded those who were not rich when they first ran. merrily Jun 2014 #35

Hillary wasn't rich when she first ran. She was five million in debt. nt MADem Jun 2014 #37

That bit was not intended to be about Hillary, but about exactly who it said it was about. merrily Jun 2014 #38

What bit? nt MADem Jun 2014 #39

The bit in my prior post about reps and Senators who become multi-millionaires while in office. merrily Jun 2014 #41

Well...Issa WAS wealthy before he ran for Congress, unlike Clinton. MADem Jun 2014 #46

That's why I excluded them both. And Hillary was doing pretty well when she ran. merrily Jun 2014 #48

Well, simply to get the facts in order. MADem Jun 2014 #53

LOL! merrily Jun 2014 #55

Well, you didn't have them in order in post 16. MADem Jun 2014 #59

LOL! merrily Jun 2014 #60

It's Manny being Manny...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #68

It's tiresome and obvious, is what it is. MADem Jun 2014 #71

I'm sad the Clintons had to struggle when leaving office statementofgoods Jun 2014 #19

Eaten on the ironing board, no less. To be fair, Harvard tuition was a lot cheaper in Mitt's time. merrily Jun 2014 #25

"What parts of your life would *you* cut?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #22

Save the outrage for when she runs. joshcryer Jun 2014 #24

2008 taught us that being ""Inevitable" early on doesn't always work, either, though. merrily Jun 2014 #26

The 2008 primaries were 2 years in the running. joshcryer Jun 2014 #27

Either way, we'll see in a couple of years. And then, the general. merrily Jun 2014 #29

Oh yes, it's a quicky tested debate. joshcryer Jun 2014 #30

We'll see. I am not going to get down about Hillary's being the nominee until she actually is. merrily Jun 2014 #31

I choose cynicism. joshcryer Jun 2014 #32

Cynicism? You've been a booster of Hillary lately. So, how is it cynical for you to merrily Jun 2014 #34

No I haven't. joshcryer Jun 2014 #40

Observation? You called me petty and sexist because I pointed out an error in one of YOUR posts merrily Jun 2014 #43

Yeah, no sexist element at all. joshcryer Jun 2014 #72

Straw man much? merrily Jun 2014 #73

Uh, I said her claim was untrue. joshcryer Jun 2014 #74

I don't recall that you led with "untrue." I do recall your claim that her retraction was merrily Jun 2014 #75

You brought it up. joshcryer Jun 2014 #76

Passing down info Warren actually received from her parents is similar MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #78

This was with regards to the media reaction to the sniper story. joshcryer Jun 2014 #79

yes it is a quickly tested debate -one question will do azurnoir Jun 2014 #42

Since they were declaring Hillary inevitable before the 2012 Presidential, you merrily Jun 2014 #44

then perhaps we should be looking at Julian Castro azurnoir Jun 2014 #45

Hillary - Julián. 16. MADem Jun 2014 #50

I was hearing Hillary-Obama 2008 but it didn't turn out that way azurnoir Jun 2014 #51

It doesn't always pan out. But, I think the choice of keynote speaker, when made, is a "tell." merrily Jun 2014 #52

I'll be honest here my take on 2008 was that Obama was campaigning on national issues azurnoir Jun 2014 #56

Let's assume that's so, though I think the two campaigns did a bit of both things, a bit national merrily Jun 2014 #58

In 2004 no 20008 however could be another story azurnoir Jun 2014 #62

Even as to 2008, your comment still seems to me to be going to what may have swayed voters merrily Jun 2014 #63

that's because I have no idea who they were backing and perhaps work under the apparent delusion azurnoir Jun 2014 #64

So far, yes, the rank and file voters do choose--or, at least, so it seems on the surface. merrily Jun 2014 #65

I wonder if Hillary's new book Hard Choices will give her any traction? azurnoir Jun 2014 #54

She's been "dry running" since at least 2000. merrily Jun 2014 #57

It's hard to be taken seriously by her hedge fund mgr and CEO friends... tk2kewl Jun 2014 #66

If your houses are worth 8m and you owe 10+m you are in debt. The houses will have a lien on them jwirr Jun 2014 #67

Well, they have fewer houses than the McCains or Rmoneys. JEB Jun 2014 #70

Former presidents receive a salary from the government. JVS Jun 2014 #77

buying into the r.w.b.s. link to hillary's assets upon leaving wh? spanone Jun 2014 #80

Yes, I'm a right-wing bull@#$% artist. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #81

link? spanone Jun 2014 #82

A link to my being a right-wing bull@#$% artist? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #83

link? spanone Jun 2014 #85