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87. Negligent or not is still an accident, and that's the point. n/t

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Bullied Teen Stabs and kills tormentor [View all] n2doc Jun 2014 OP

Sounds like self-defense to me!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #1

I absolutely agree! get the red out Jun 2014 #3

Yep, I can certainly relate to that! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #6

+1000s DinahMoeHum Jun 2014 #27

in his autobiography hfojvt Jun 2014 #85

A child is murdered... Lancero Jun 2014 #10

Bullying needs to be brought under control to help stop future tragedies like this. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #13

You clearly did not read the article. n/t ieoeja Jun 2014 #29

You clearly have nothing wrong with a CHILD being murdered. Lancero Jun 2014 #41

It is murder. It is also self defense. But I wouldn't classify it as legally justified self defense. ieoeja Jun 2014 #51

Well, he attempted Aerows Jun 2014 #53

I'm grateful that the bullied child will have a chance to recover Orrex Jun 2014 #56

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #118

Holy shit--you really need to uncrank yourself Orrex Jun 2014 #121

No. Your post was... Lancero Jun 2014 #122

I know what I wrote Orrex Jun 2014 #123

See the topic title? Lancero Jun 2014 #124

So let me get this straight: Orrex Jun 2014 #125

Thats assuming you do share the same opinion. Lancero Jun 2014 #126

He did not include the "sarcasm" tag, but his point tblue37 Jun 2014 #138

Compassion for criminals... Lancero Jun 2014 #117

Bullshit NobodyHere Jun 2014 #132

You left out any reference to his self-defense, which comes from the OP's article: pacalo Jun 2014 #101

Justify the senseless murder of a child however you wish. Lancero Jun 2014 #119

Kneejerk moralizing without any actual analysis of the situation. DireStrike Jun 2014 #151

Read the article; your comment seems to serve as another reason pacalo Jun 2014 #100

First comment in this topic, first reply, and first and second reply to that. Lancero Jun 2014 #120

Sounds like it, but it's not so straight forward Renew Deal Jun 2014 #73

Yeah, there seems to be disagreement about whether Crump was one of the bullies. Vattel Jun 2014 #99

The kid was regularly beaten up Aerows Jun 2014 #130

Notice that there was a security guard--but he didn't do anything until after tblue37 Jun 2014 #139

There very well could have been two sides to Timothy jmowreader Jun 2014 #141

Shouldn't be charged as an adult. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2

also the child does not have the choice of walking away because he is KurtNYC Jun 2014 #20

amen, demigoddess Jun 2014 #31

This was his first day back at school, too Aerows Jun 2014 #48

Ouch, I hate to be glad about someone's death mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #69

And the poor kid was beaten and robbed by this bully a few weeks ago Aerows Jun 2014 #45

What? Possumpoint Jun 2014 #4

Fail. Kitchen knives have a non-lethal purpose. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #5

A knife can be a deadly weapon just like a firearm. ... spin Jun 2014 #8

"Can be" versus "only purpose". Still fail. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #9

I'm owned and used firearms for well over 40 years. ... spin Jun 2014 #14

If you were the only gun owner, then we wouldn't have a problem. Orrex Jun 2014 #21

So a firearm that is used for legitimate self defense is useless? ... spin Jun 2014 #30

That was not my assertion, and your post merely underscores my point. Orrex Jun 2014 #32

So are you saying that my mother's use of a handgun to stop her rape or murder ... spin Jun 2014 #39

How are you so totally misreading my point? Orrex Jun 2014 #42

A gun is a tool to be used for a number of tasks. ... spin Jun 2014 #67

The gun's primary purpose Orrex Jun 2014 #68

Since you are "not making any assesment about the good or evil of a firearm" then ... spin Jun 2014 #70

Maybe I should have opened with that. Orrex Jun 2014 #71

It probably would have avoided a misuse of a bunch of electrons... spin Jun 2014 #78

tell that to the guy who accidentally demigoddess Jun 2014 #34

Obviously it is wise to take a firearms safety course if you own firearms. ... spin Jun 2014 #36

always point the gun in a safe direction? demigoddess Jun 2014 #115

That's a fair point. ... spin Jun 2014 #116

Not sure you read my post. demigoddess Jun 2014 #135

You might think all cops are well trained and safe with firearms. ... spin Jun 2014 #145

you also forget that we live demigoddess Jun 2014 #146

Much depends on where you live in our nation. ... spin Jun 2014 #147

every young child that dies demigoddess Jun 2014 #148

I realize that firearms are extremely dangerous. ... spin Jun 2014 #149

Major thread hijack! I am all for gun control, but this is not a gun control thread. nt tblue37 Jun 2014 #140

And your point is? Guns can be regulated. Knives basically cannot. MillennialDem Jun 2014 #12

Knives are regulated in many states. ... spin Jun 2014 #17

You are not taking the interpretation of knife seriously enough. All one needs to do is carry MillennialDem Jun 2014 #19

Looking at the UK regulation on knives... spin Jun 2014 #28

Could you get in trouble for carrying a pair of scissors in public? Yes. Is it likely if you are in MillennialDem Jun 2014 #43

That's a fair point about same sex marriage. .... spin Jun 2014 #64

Not to mention guns could be enforceably banned but knives never can be. There are MillennialDem Jun 2014 #11

What kind of cryptic logic is that? I recall some blowhole... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #23

Firearms have nonlethal purposes, too, aikoaiko Jun 2014 #81

Nope, but there is always some jerk looking to exploit a tragedy. Renew Deal Jun 2014 #15

Been told some controllers do it all the time. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #24

Just to clarify: Orrex Jun 2014 #35

Don't like "controllers?" How about "banners?" Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #61

How about zealous controllers? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #82

I refuse to control my zeal Orrex Jun 2014 #83

There's a dead child here leftynyc Jun 2014 #18

+1 daleanime Jun 2014 #55

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #94

Yep. Lots of people feel the same way laundry_queen Jun 2014 #95

Kitchen knives can't accidentally go off when picked up. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #22

Not entirely accurate, but you make a terrific point Orrex Jun 2014 #37

Modern firearms rarely go off accidentally. ... spin Jun 2014 #40

Or if they fall to the floor or get stuck on something. Orrex Jun 2014 #44

Most modern handguns with a few exceptions are drop safe. ... spin Jun 2014 #62

Tell that to the guy who was celebrating the arrival of his newborn.. Dawgs Jun 2014 #74

Doesn't sound like the gun's fault to me. ... spin Jun 2014 #77

Point is knife doesn't have a trigger to pull and isn't the same thing. Dawgs Jun 2014 #79

Nice try on your part to call an obvious negligent discharge an accidental discharge caused by ... spin Jun 2014 #84

Negligent or not is still an accident, and that's the point. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #87

A negligent discharge is NOT an accident. ... spin Jun 2014 #88

Killing an innocent human being was most definitely an accident. Dawgs Jun 2014 #102

A good number of those who own firearms and practice gun safety would agree with me ... spin Jun 2014 #108

Still hung up on what accident means, huh? Dawgs Jun 2014 #109

I did acknowledge that if the shooter did not have the weapon the incident would have never ... spin Jun 2014 #110

Not surprising that you guessed wrong. Dawgs Jun 2014 #111

You probably know gun owners who have had negligent discharges. ... spin Jun 2014 #112

Guessing again, huh? Dawgs Jun 2014 #113

Ah gee. Well I enjoyed our discussion. Have a good day. (n/t) spin Jun 2014 #114

Aw. Iggo Jun 2014 #47

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #92

imagine, if he had a gun he could have attacked his school samsingh Jun 2014 #57

Oh, stop. crim son Jun 2014 #90

Fist can too. But your inane logic, time to cut off hands. EPIC FAIL Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #153

mulitple times the mother reported the bullying Vattel Jun 2014 #7

Bullies are authority figures in schools where teachers have little. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #26

Well put get the red out Jun 2014 #33

Thank you. Google up "bullying UCLA study"... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49

SAD Mr Dixon Jun 2014 #16

Altering the routine ultimately worked for me Submariner Jun 2014 #128

If everyone only had guns...gungeoneer logic. nt valerief Jun 2014 #25

Payback can be a _____. Life lesson for would be bullies Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #38

Poor young persons life ended way too soon. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #46

The kid that stabbed the bully Aerows Jun 2014 #50

If that is the truth, you are correct. Very sad he felt there was no other way out. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #54

I linked another article below. Aerows Jun 2014 #59

Thank you. Going to read it now. Sad all around. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #60

Here's another article that is pretty enlightening. Aerows Jun 2014 #52

We need to recognize that those who witness bullying and do nothing are part of the problem. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #105

I agree. Aerows Jun 2014 #133

In Catholic elementary school, I was bullied terribly adigal Jun 2014 #58

I have never understood... gvstn Jun 2014 #63

I have wondered about this a lot and wrote an article about it a few years back... stevenleser Jun 2014 #96

Thanks! gvstn Jun 2014 #97

Thanks. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #106

Interesting... sarisataka Jun 2014 #65

Murder is never the solution. dilby Jun 2014 #66

Maybe he carried the knife as a general ohheckyeah Jun 2014 #129

I saw another article about this in NY today that said the kid that was killed was an angel Renew Deal Jun 2014 #72

I'm not a psychologist Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 2014 #76

"The suspect, Noel Estevez of the Bronx, was charged as an adult" cpwm17 Jun 2014 #80

It looks like they were Friends and hung out together JI7 Jun 2014 #86

2 lives lost Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #89

Exactly Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #103

I'm against what he did... Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #91

Sounds more like manslaughter than murder, if the allegations against the victim are true. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #93

Would he be charged as an adult if his surname was Smith? rustydog Jun 2014 #98

Yes, because prosecutors are elected jmowreader Jun 2014 #136

So the NEIGHBORS SAW AND KNEW? They knew the kid was being abused and did nothing? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #104

Similar cases Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #107

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #127

Revenge of the Nerd! KamaAina Jun 2014 #131

KamaAina, I like you -- but with a fourteen year old dead and another being tried as an fishwax Jun 2014 #134

If more of those of us who are bullied would fight back KamaAina Jun 2014 #137

Whoa! It is more complicated than it seems. The kid with the knife had been recently tblue37 Jun 2014 #142

there seems to be much more to this JI7 Jun 2014 #143

One article I read said he used to be friends with the other boy and actually tblue37 Jun 2014 #144

Usually Bullied Kids Use the Knife On Themselves AnnieBW Jun 2014 #150

another kid charged as an adult. why aren't bullies charged as an adult? Sunlei Jun 2014 #152