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90-percent

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102. thanks, trumad, you totally nailed it
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:35 AM - Edit history (1)

If I, as an average DU reader, had access to enough good journalism that I knew the war justification was bullshit, then our fucking representatives in Congress should have known too.

I think they got their political calculations wrong the same way I got it wrong. I thought this would be another adventure like the first Iraq invasion back in the early 90's. In and out real quick with a hell of a lot less loss of American Servicemen. I think we lost 300 soldiers in that one? And we came and went in less than a year? (It's relative. 300 dead sucks, but 4,500 plus 1,000 to 2,000 in Afghanistan is a hell of a lot worse. And what of the thousand or so contractors that also made the ultimate sacrifice? They are lost to history. In much the same way as the people that died stateside in our factories making war materials for WW2.)

I think the cynical and self serving politicians that decided it was politically expedient to do the cowardly thing and support the war because of overwhelming support of the propagandized public still reeling from the attacks of 9-11, did not realize the magnitude of incompetence and corruption that was the branding of this second US-Iraq conflict. I bet they all thought it woulda been in and out real quick like the first one. (apologies for the run on sentence)

I try to make my Congressman John Larson's town halls. The last one I went to, perhaps 6 months ago in the Bristol Connecticut town hall, I told him that the GWB White house was full of traitors that committed war crimes and should be tried for treason. I get amped up when I do that, cuz I'm pretty passionate about that point, and his answer, as near as I can recall, was that they were sincere in their efforts and just got real bad intelligence. Well, shucks, anybody can get it wrong.

I found that answer unacceptable, and I am almost giddy the collapse of the country we couldn't fix after over a decade, is bringing to the forefront the question of why the fuck did we go in the first place.

Lastly, the first anti-war protest I ever attended in my life was on the Washington Mall in January 2003*. Remember? Of course not. Our American MSM had a full blown news blackout on all the anti war protests taking place all over the world, especially throughout Europe. The meme I took from that is that this time period produced the largest gathering of protest in the history of humanity. Who cares if most American don't even know that.

-90% Jimmy

*and I was draft age in 1972 and I didn't participate in any war protests, in spite of my life being on the line. If Nixon had not abolished the draft and I had to serve, I would not have survived, physically and emotionally. I'm a crappy lover and my fighting is even worse.

PS - my FB post of yesterday - It's perversely delightful to watch these vampires in hindsight. Because we now know unequivocally that they were lying through their teeth and they knew they were lying when they were catapulting their propaganda.

Here's two video's from the "architects" of the 2003 Invasion. It's very important to note there is no opinion or analysis or talking heads. It is the GWB cabinet in their own words. And the written commentary is silent, so this is pretty doggone objective. Utterly devoid of sinister lefty spin, except for the unspoken and brief written commentary.

The biggest benefit of the invasion for me is I learned a new word; "mendacity".



Worse, Bush was going in without authorization. joshcryer Jun 2014 #1
Those claiming to have been misled are the ones who misled us. n/t Orsino Jun 2014 #2
yep.. trumad Jun 2014 #3
And, the reason you see Cheney and Bolton in the spotlight again is... tecelote Jun 2014 #17
War is great for the economy? 90-percent Jun 2014 #97
That is the RWproptanks stimulus position! Along with jobs cleaning up oil spills! stuffmatters Jun 2014 #114
And clearly not astute enough to lead us in the future. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #52
It's not even "I" usually. It's usually "We." Might as well just use the "Mistakes were made" meme. chrisa Jun 2014 #4
BS billhicks76 Jun 2014 #112
I can recall having lots of arguments on DU with people who couldn't imagine it was a hoax. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2014 #5
Will Pitt was a big part of it. trumad Jun 2014 #6
I was a member Caretha Jun 2014 #20
Don't forget Bartcop, he had 'em figured, too. rickyhall Jun 2014 #24
Bart homegirl Jun 2014 #87
Bartcop was awesome 90-percent Jun 2014 #116
Greetings former Chimpsters! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #47
I came here from the Chimp too arikara Jun 2014 #85
Although it may look edgineered Jun 2014 #7
No politician was "mislead." Each made a conscious political decision to support a crime . . . Journeyman Jun 2014 #8
^^^^THIS^^^^ Right here. Autumn Jun 2014 #10
^ Yes ^ Solly Mack Jun 2014 #11
Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2014 #15
most were not doing their job handmade34 Jun 2014 #16
Yes they did.. sendero Jun 2014 #25
The average American did NOT fall for it. The average American fell for the notion Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #39
We'll have to disagree.... sendero Jun 2014 #64
I remember the surveys that indicated Mariana Jun 2014 #98
I have a less charitable view... sendero Jun 2014 #100
Sure, I suppose, sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #99
Word!!! MissDeeds Jun 2014 #28
Anyone who says else wise is lying. Iggo Jun 2014 #35
Agree 100% Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #37
And the underlying assumption was that votes were more valuable than lives. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #48
A sad truth that should make any person sick to their stomach. Well said, thanks. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2014 #72
Exactly! It was a politically calculated vote. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #51
Well said; precisely why anyone who voted with Chimpy is disqualified to be President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #55
Yep. If the choice is either standing with honesty & integrity or standing with money. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #69
Hammer meet nail. bullwinkle428 Jun 2014 #80
This. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #96
I agree...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #9
They weren't "misled," Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #12
++++ nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #70
please, please, it is misled. demigoddess Jun 2014 #78
Funny, that's the way I had spelled it originally Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #81
amen to that riverwalker Jun 2014 #13
But, but, but, it's like Britney Spears said! Scootaloo Jun 2014 #14
egg zac LEE Botany Jun 2014 #18
I wasn't on DU at the time and I knew it was bullshit. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #19
I Remember Very Well Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #41
Yup. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #46
I had the same reaction laundry_queen Jun 2014 #75
I guess this is an eye opener... liberalmuse Jun 2014 #21
They did it onecaliberal Jun 2014 #22
MISLED. "Led" is the past tense of "Lead." One of my major pet peeves, sorry. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #23
Ty for being the spelling Nazi. I was desperately trying to resist making that correction. Vattel Jun 2014 #38
It's really being a tyrant, ain't it? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #65
You should have said "Its." That would have forced me to be the Nazi. Vattel Jun 2014 #66
Thank you!! n/t Jeff Rosenzweig Jun 2014 #62
Agree. They had more resources than we did and yet we Cleita Jun 2014 #26
Now that the polls show a distaste for that war, the politicians are playing CYA...loudly. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #27
The use of the passive voice makes me want to VOMIT! ColesCountyDem Jun 2014 #29
I never really noticed that before. SO true! laundry_queen Jun 2014 #76
So when the passive voice is used you want to vomit rock Jun 2014 #82
Anyone who can be fooled by Bush is a clueless dumbass. And admitting that you got Zorra Jun 2014 #30
Hahaha, got that right. How can people defend those who were so easily fooled by the Chimpster? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #57
Yeah, huh? This ain't rocket science. Clue #1: Bush stole the 2000 election. Doh! Zorra Jun 2014 #104
Excellent post, thanks. Love the motto too (so true). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #111
I place blame squarely on the media. MindPilot Jun 2014 #31
Millions of people around the globe protested in an attempt to stop that war abelenkpe Jun 2014 #32
They weren't misled. They LED us into an illegal war for oil. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #33
Bullshit....people DID do their homework but the only textbooks were written by Cheney, et. al. George II Jun 2014 #34
Really? LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #89
Many speculated that it was bullshit, no one really knew. Read reports from back then.... George II Jun 2014 #92
All these contortions to absolve Hillary LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #93
WHAT THE FUCK DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE TO DO WITH THIS??? George II Jun 2014 #107
"Misled" thing is a bald faced LIE. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #36
Yes & one day their lies & warmongering are goin 2 put the whole world in danger, FAR worse than it already is. I seriously hope it's not 2 late. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #113
I knew long before 9/11.... ReRe Jun 2014 #40
I believe some lawmakers were convinced the administration knew things the general public and... MohRokTah Jun 2014 #42
Let me share this story about one hero in the U.S. Senate: His name was Bob Graham... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #43
Yes. Bob Graham was BEGGING other Senators to read the NIE. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #58
This should be an OP BuelahWitch Jun 2014 #68
Yes it should be. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #77
Great post! beerandjesus Jun 2014 #74
+1,000,000,000 rosesaylavee Jun 2014 #86
Feingold was another one LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #90
An excellent response. -nt CrispyQ Jun 2014 #106
I'm sure Hillary had better things to do than read the NIE, like attend Wall Street fundraisers. It sickens me to hear this all again, but . . InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #115
knr n/t slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #44
There is one part to the Constitution polynomial Jun 2014 #45
Homework? Baseline knowledge should have precluded such TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #49
"Misled is a lie or an admission of profound stupidity or complete disregard for their duty." +10000 slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #54
Stupidity or incompetence - either way, it's time for supporters of Chimpy's War to leave the stage. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #56
Exactly! n/t slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #50
At the time if you against the war you were considered bad Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #53
I hold Democrats to a higher standard than the asshats in the other party. Those that rhett o rick Jun 2014 #59
I agree that it is our responsibility to hold our own politcians accountable ... slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #61
Pure triangulating, political cowardice and base-covering of the highest order. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #63
I would believe it if PATRICK Jun 2014 #67
I vastly prefer that to "Now we have to go back and finish the job." n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #71
Pelosi said yesterday that the AUMFs give Obama all the authority he needs to engage ISIS Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #73
Freaking A, trumad!!!!! catbyte Jun 2014 #79
A number of them weren't mislead at all. davidthegnome Jun 2014 #83
I had no idea that our politicians were so naive or innocent or gullible azurnoir Jun 2014 #84
Amen to that! FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #88
DUers are predisposed to be opposed to any war though el_bryanto Jun 2014 #91
The politicians knew. They knew! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #94
What Republicans GOP McCain Wont Tell You mitty14u2 Jun 2014 #95
Wait, why so many threads about this now? Or seems like so many randys1 Jun 2014 #101
thanks, trumad, you totally nailed it 90-percent Jun 2014 #102
I would like to know how much profit those who were "misled" made. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Jun 2014 #105
They knew the truth, always. zentrum Jun 2014 #108
Not mislead allinthegame Jun 2014 #109
Well said padfun Jun 2014 #110
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