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ljm2002

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59. Because those are the only two choices...

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:23 PM

Jun 2014

...at least in some people's black-and-white view of the world.

Guess what? NO ONE is even running yet. Hillary has not declared and has in fact stated that she is not running. That being the case, it is absurd to respond to criticism of her as a POTENTIAL candidate by saying you have to be for her or else you're obviously for the as-yet-unnamed Republican.

This is a political discussion board. I don't know about you, but one thing I expect on such a site is discussions where we comb over candidates' records and positions and yes, gaffes, in order to clarify our own positions and learn from what others have to say.

It doesn't hurt to know one's preferred candidate's weaknesses as well as their strengths. That way one is not blindsided when the real battle starts. Because don't think for a minute that the Republicans will ignore Hillary's weaknesses. Why would they? I certainly don't want us to be ignoring the weaknesses of their candidate!

I want a Democrat to win. There are several Democrats I would rather see run than Hillary. So here's hoping.

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All of this Hillary bashing is not going to end well. It might be fulfilling for some [View all] mfcorey1 Jun 2014 OP

When posting about her actual record, policies, sources of funding, and public statements woo me with science Jun 2014 #1

+1 xchrom Jun 2014 #3

For some who are penetrating everything to find a reason not to support her. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #6

IF she declares, and that is still a big IF nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #36

Do as you wish. We all have the ignore freedom. I will still always ask questions and mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #38

And you got a serious response nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #39

"to find a reason not to support her" Union Scribe Jun 2014 #77

Indeed. They could hardly be more glaring. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #143

People who post derogatory images and posters from right-wing sites are bashing. pnwmom Jun 2014 #134

Silly comment. woo me with science Jun 2014 #141

No, of course every gaffe she makes is not of election defeat caliber. cali Jun 2014 #2

It's just my opinion and I do believe as we sell her short, so do we the dem party. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #7

Hillary is not the Democratic party. pscot Jun 2014 #112

We are not even to the primary karynnj Jun 2014 #116

Yep bradla Jun 2014 #4

This ^ ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #129

Well, here's a thought: Whisp Jun 2014 #5

There is a lot of leftover hate for the Clintons from another time and unfortunately it will mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #9

It's an oogly boogly conspiracy! AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #23

and expiring minds don't want to know? Whisp Jun 2014 #30

Rational folk AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #34

Oh god you are naive to think that Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #40

I'm not talking about the candidates AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #42

Yes you are because Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #48

I'm always puzzled by conspiracy deniers LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #51

Alex Jones shares your puzzlement AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #52

Oh I forgot one other trait LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #66

+1 nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #73

Conspiracy theories appeal to low information voters AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #80

Every Corporate Board Meeeting is a conspiracy, bvar22 Jun 2014 #70

That's it Doctor_J Jun 2014 #72

With that one it always is. Beacool Jun 2014 #93

That One Whisp Jun 2014 #110

You nailed it. Skidmore Jun 2014 #37

Nailed what, pray tell? Beacool Jun 2014 #94

Some here don't like it? I'm liking it fine. Whisp Jun 2014 #111

+1 leftstreet Jun 2014 #45

I frequently disagree with you, bvar22 Jun 2014 #75

wow. I don't know what to say Whisp Jun 2014 #76

"What campaign, we are just selling books", sounds a bit disingenuous for supporters to be saying Dragonfli Jun 2014 #83

!!! Whisp Jun 2014 #84

NOPE. It's for real! /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #85

No, she's not. Beacool Jun 2014 #96

Are you being disingenuous or do you really not know that it's not her bus? Beacool Jun 2014 #95

There's a similar bus out there following Hillary's bus. Look: Whisp Jun 2014 #107

Go peddle your RW crap on Free Republic. n/t Beacool Jun 2014 #120

Take it up with Jon Stewart Dragonfli Jun 2014 #113

Ridiculous.......... Beacool Jun 2014 #122

So, that bus going around with her on her book tour does not exist? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #132

Let me explain it to you slowly. Beacool Jun 2014 #133

Yes I do, PACS are shady ways to raise money by pretending the have nothing to do with the candidate Dragonfli Jun 2014 #139

That is correct! TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #157

Here's a thought, do you really believe the nonsense that you always write or do you do it for fun? Beacool Jun 2014 #92

Well said; its called SELF-destruction for a reason. Hillary is her own worst enemy, tho Bill comes in a close second. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #104

How dare she write a book! hrmjustin Jun 2014 #126

It's called blind, pathological hatred for a reason. Namely because ... 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #8

I don't get it at all. It's weird how very personally angry and nasty people are willing to get bettyellen Jun 2014 #14

People on DU aren't "nasty and angry" about Hillary's personality Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #24

Then I surmise that you will be angry and motivated througout your political leanings. Real mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #29

I will be angry anytime someone purporting to be an advocate for me actually betrays me Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #33

Interesting position. Then tell me, pray tell, who is your ideal candidate for the 2016 election? mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #35

Crickets........ Beacool Jun 2014 #98

they certainly are angry and nasty toward anyone who doesn't completely shun Hil or elevate bettyellen Jun 2014 #87

I hear you. And claims that it's about policy and positions ring hollow ... 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #27

I know! And those people who complain about homophobia or child abuse keep bringing it up, too. woo me with science Jun 2014 #54

Fuck that disingenuous bullshit. Tell us, where do you come down ... 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #67

This......... Beacool Jun 2014 #99

Here Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #135

What a silly position, you think that after disagreeing with a position someone is supposed to TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #144

If a potential candidate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #10

There is a difference between criticism and leftover hate. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #16

There certainly is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #20

Exactly. Maedhros Jun 2014 #81

And your problem is, you don't know the difference. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2014 #53

And Hillary needs to convince primary voters she can overcome both obstacles. winter is coming Jun 2014 #158

Same folks wanted a primary challange of Obama. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #11

echoes of 2008. She's inevitable. cali Jun 2014 #13

If she runs, she wins. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #15

O'Malley perhaps. Biden. Who knows who else? cali Jun 2014 #17

Dream on....... Beacool Jun 2014 #49

a mile wide and an inch deep. we'll see. Yeah, I have a problem with Hillary's politics. cali Jun 2014 #57

There's no Obama in the horizon, just a bunch of middle aged white men. Beacool Jun 2014 #60

She'll plan for post-Super Tuesday. But she'll probably quit after finishing 3rd. ieoeja Jun 2014 #68

She didn't quit last time, won't quit this time. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #88

Last time they were neck and neck at the end of Super Tuesday. ieoeja Jun 2014 #119

Nah, the party felt it was best if she keep going. joshcryer Jun 2014 #161

No, she went zombie campaign instead. Too entitled and convinced she had all the juice TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #164

"Sanders will win in New Hampshire" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #131

So be it, but Jonathon Capehart predicted that the rethugs will mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #18

"...once a person becomes President,"... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #56

Bull Doctor_J Jun 2014 #74

I think that Capeheart is off with that statement. amandabeech Jun 2014 #79

I'm betting she quits after Super Tuesday. ieoeja Jun 2014 #69

Oh yeah, I remember when Nader predicted a tough primary. joshcryer Jun 2014 #160

Poor wittle Hillary. bigwillq Jun 2014 #12

Feel free to say no and support the candidate on the right. No problem. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #19

Because those are the only two choices... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #59

Interesting. There's a Facebook page with a title MineralMan Jun 2014 #101

It's several years too late and it's not like we didn't all know what was coming. stevenleser Jun 2014 #21

It reminds me of the priosoners in Plato's allegory of the CAve. We see mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #25

Which trigger Pavlov's dogs to start salivating AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #31

Wow Caretha Jun 2014 #89

Wow. Really? You couldn't tell Hillary was going to run? Politics may not be for you. stevenleser Jun 2014 #90

Obviously, we need a better (read "liberal") candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22

Go for it. Just beware! mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #26

Of what? The outrage of the DLC/3rd Way/New Democrats? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #32

If you look at polls and public opinion.... NCTraveler Jun 2014 #121

Two points nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #28

we're democrats! circular firing squads are our speciality! unblock Jun 2014 #41

she and many of her minions believe her to be entitled to the presidency bowens43 Jun 2014 #43

Democratic elections alone do not remedy mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #44

If she can't handle Dems examining her record and statements.... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #46

Too many around here are following and promoting the media spin/editing of comments. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #47

It seems to be always the same crowd, so I just try to take what they write Beacool Jun 2014 #50

She's DLC all the way... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #64

I don't get all the Hillary hate get the red out Jun 2014 #55

Pointing out problems is not bashing. jeff47 Jun 2014 #58

SHE is not pushing the inevitability meme. Beacool Jun 2014 #62

She isn't stopping it either. jeff47 Jun 2014 #86

I see, she should simply gather all the press and tell them to stop calling her inevitable. Beacool Jun 2014 #100

She has allies that are also feeding the inevitable story. jeff47 Jun 2014 #102

Some are not friends. Beacool Jun 2014 #103

but wait DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #109

I'm not talking about Obama. Beacool Jun 2014 #118

careful, your Freudian slip is showing. Do you know this lady by any chance? Whisp Jun 2014 #117

So when did Hillary become the entire Democratic Party? Whisp Jun 2014 #61

Still peddling that nugget? Beacool Jun 2014 #63

The media started the campaign, the talking heads were sucked in the public started mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #65

Hillary is in full campaign mode, so she should be scrutinized accordingly. The scrutiny she's gettin here will be pablum compared to what the Rethugs will dish out. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #106

For those of us who believe the Democratic Party .... bvar22 Jun 2014 #71

There are gaffes in some people eyes and many more to come. Some people have little to add Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #78

The media will find gaffe after gaffe etc, I predict... Mike Nelson Jun 2014 #82

It might seem like a good idea... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #91

I agree. warrior1 Jun 2014 #97

DU is not going to slow the Inevitability Train. Orsino Jun 2014 #105

What's the point in hiring a "Republican at Heart" as our candidate? 2banon Jun 2014 #108

You are gonna be very very upset if the DNC allows primaries, I fear. djean111 Jun 2014 #114

No. Just assumng that we are our own worse enemy. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #115

I Am The One Whisp Jun 2014 #123

The DNC must have primaries. joshcryer Jun 2014 #162

People who have followed politics for a long time know that the far left... NCTraveler Jun 2014 #124

I just listened to Limbaugh for 5 minutes. Beacool Jun 2014 #125

Limbaugh favors Glass-Steagall and opposes the Iraq war? n/t eridani Jun 2014 #149

Did I write that? Beacool Jun 2014 #152

Left problems with Clinton are rather different from the righties. n/t eridani Jun 2014 #155

Just Wrote A Long Post My Opinion, But Then ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #127

if the intent is to give the presidency in 2016 to GOP beachbum bob Jun 2014 #128

I think your last sentence is a bit harsh. BootinUp Jun 2014 #130

So, you basically think Hillary's candidacy is too fragile to withstand the primary season. winter is coming Jun 2014 #159

I adore Hillary, I plan on voting for her if she runs gwheezie Jun 2014 #136

This sums it all up. Amen to all you have posted! mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #138

I don't see what purpose it serves BainsBane Jun 2014 #137

i was thinking that today. isnt this what republicans did two pres elections with their own? seabeyond Jun 2014 #140

Theres a constant DU irony where BootinUp Jun 2014 #142

I see you weren't around in 2008 Oilwellian Jun 2014 #145

Good luck with that. mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #147

From what I see Hillary is her own worst enemy. n/t doc03 Jun 2014 #146

DU is just a discussion board that doesn't adequately reflect the party Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2014 #148

I agree. Beacool Jun 2014 #153

The hatred is shocking. maced666 Jun 2014 #150

The hatred is mostly directed at those who question her divine right to the presidency tularetom Jun 2014 #151

There should be no "hatred" among allies with common goals IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2014 #156

Neither do I..... Beacool Jun 2014 #154

I think the Democrats have really good candidates, yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2014 #163