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Eleanors38

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107. Curious predicament you describe...

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:37 PM

Jun 2014

1) The over all violent crime rate is way down nationally, so that doesn't auger well for your prediction "the carnage that's coming." But there is...

2) Society is breaking down into a pre-revolutionary/anarchic chaos, above and beyond the favorable crime data. Here, your fear of the "carnage that's coming" is at least plausible. Which begs the question: Why would anyone disarm? Who & what would be viable enough to administer disarmament, including those thugs who shoot up public streets?

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Jindal approved law allowing loaded guns into bars---9shot 2Critical- [View all] G_j Jun 2014 OP

"celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values" elleng Jun 2014 #1

I have no opinion, this is DU pro gun territory, I dont want to upset the gun folks randys1 Jun 2014 #31

I don't coddle gun folks, elleng Jun 2014 #49

+1 brer cat Jun 2014 #68

Don't have to coddle. How about debate? Argument? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #103

Yes, and you may be here, elleng Jun 2014 #105

Elleng, the gunz-kontrol issue is the best freebie ever given the GOP. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #108

I am not, have not, and will not lash out. elleng Jun 2014 #109

I agree with you in Jindal. The complete ass. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #157

of course you think there should be a debate about loaded guns in bars CreekDog Jun 2014 #111

Ha! Creates the debate terms, assigns folks to either side... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #115

Guns, booze, and 2:00 AM what could go wrong? Botany Jun 2014 #73

Just celebrating the sportsman paradise of a major American city with some American values neverforget Jun 2014 #2

Just like Georgia where billh58 Jun 2014 #3

Holy crap! kentuck Jun 2014 #4

YOUR street, at the rate we're going. calimary Jun 2014 #51

Way to go, Booby KamaAina Jun 2014 #5

Maybe he should sue himself for negligence davidpdx Jun 2014 #80

Wow, really smart Jindal. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #6

Where are the gunners? They're normally here lickety split. BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #7

In a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #15

Oh, glad you made it BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #16

So you have some amplifying facts that the rest of us are not privy to? hack89 Jun 2014 #17

Did you read the part about the law where it is legal to carry a weapon into a bar? BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #23

In one of the most violent cities in the world hack89 Jun 2014 #30

I'm gob-smacked Caretha Jun 2014 #52

guns are allowed in many states where achohol Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #55

As my grandmother used to say.... Caretha Jun 2014 #59

no you just called Hack89 Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #70

I. Called. No. One. On. This. Forum. A. Name. Caretha Jun 2014 #93

with all due respect I will disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #94

Thank you for Caretha Jun 2014 #97

So coward is not an insult in your world? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #126

The law has nothing to do with the shootings hack89 Jun 2014 #58

I guess my post got some of you Caretha Jun 2014 #61

Insane as hell - it is a deadly combination. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #63

We can agree on that Caretha Jun 2014 #65

yep insane Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #71

It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #81

The OP doesn't say where it started hack89 Jun 2014 #84

That's why assuming it was gang related is tenuous BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #87

In violent, gang invested city with a sky high murder rate hack89 Jun 2014 #90

appears to have started outside the bar Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #91

that isn't what the article says TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #88

The actual crime rate has gone down in NOLA. NOLALady Jul 2014 #152

BrotherIvan never said the magic words "Concealed Carry" LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #33

The laws in question only apply to concealed carry. hack89 Jun 2014 #37

Because Bourbon Street is SO gang turf KamaAina Jun 2014 #104

It is a very violent place hack89 Jul 2014 #128

New Orleans, yes. KamaAina Jul 2014 #138

Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #144

Brother Ivan's powers of prediction are pedestrian. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #106

Let's watch those tourist dollars leave the border as these impromptu gun fights continue Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #8

paranoid gun humpers and liquor Skittles Jun 2014 #9

Nothing to see here, just patriotic Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights... Coventina Jun 2014 #10

Reason secondvariety Jun 2014 #11

Gee, I'd LOVE to hear the other 546. KamaAina Jun 2014 #12

It would be really nice to see the bystander victims sue Piyish and everyone in his office Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13

+100 n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #18

Don't you need some basic information first? hack89 Jun 2014 #19

I have some basic information. Jindal decided that in rooms crowded with drunks, guns would be Doctor_J Jun 2014 #22

What does that have to do with the OP? hack89 Jun 2014 #24

In the south, just open a classified section of the local paper and you can buy a LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #36

Not if the shooters were underaged or felons. hack89 Jun 2014 #38

I am sorry, but you wrong. An individual can purchase a weapon from another individual. LiberalArkie Jul 2014 #122

and it is against federal and state law Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #123

Such sales to prohibited people is illegal under state and federal law. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #125

So if you are a shooter Caretha Jun 2014 #64

Please read the entire sub thread before jumping in hack89 Jun 2014 #66

Last time I checked Caretha Jun 2014 #67

You can't sue Jindal for a gang shooting hack89 Jun 2014 #72

You assume a great deal. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #76

We also know the shooting was not in a bar hack89 Jun 2014 #77

I never stated it was in a bar. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #78

What is the most likely scenario though? hack89 Jun 2014 #79

I refrain from forming an opinion without any further information. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #83

The entire OP twists the truth to push an agenda hack89 Jun 2014 #85

I hear New Orleans is nice this time of year. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #86

Too violent - their murder rate is 10 times the national average hack89 Jun 2014 #89

And now you know why the rest of us have a problem with guns everywhere. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #133

Yet even New Orleans has seen significant drops in gun violence hack89 Jul 2014 #135

If you want to sue, sue the punk-thugs who committed the crime. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #102

So in a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #14

Thanks for weighing in. You and Open Carry enthusiasts are doing more for flamin lib Jun 2014 #32

I oppose open carry hack89 Jun 2014 #34

Well, to begin with I have no reason to believe otherwise. flamin lib Jun 2014 #99

If they were underaged or felons then the purchase would not be legal hack89 Jul 2014 #124

How do you know that they were underage or felons? What information do you have flamin lib Jul 2014 #141

"Just you wait" - the motto of gun control for 20 years. hack89 Jul 2014 #143

Still waiting to find out how you know what you seem to know and why you're so quick flamin lib Jul 2014 #145

I was only pointing out that the OP twisted the truth to support an agenda. hack89 Jul 2014 #146

So you've been passive in your support for UBC? flamin lib Jul 2014 #147

There are other issues facing America, you know hack89 Jul 2014 #148

Ahhh, still can't be bothered to send an email, huh? Walking and chewing gum . . . nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #149

RI is a small state. I get to meet my congressmen face to face hack89 Jul 2014 #150

The point you seem to miss is that it isn't Universal flamin lib Jul 2014 #153

Oh well hack89 Jul 2014 #155

Karma continues to be a bitch. trof Jun 2014 #20

Dangerously stupid rickyhall Jun 2014 #21

Two Cowardly Young Men??? otohara Jun 2014 #25

Loaded guns in bars: good. Loaded guns at gun shows: bad. Paladin Jun 2014 #26

Good thing this shooting was not in a bar. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #40

Oh sure! Let's go outside and shoot tourist. nt abakan Jun 2014 #48

Or let's settle a drug turf war hack89 Jun 2014 #62

They should also be constitutionally protected to be carried into the La state house. ancianita Jun 2014 #27

The Stupid Party gives us The Stupid Gov Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #28

I was stationed in N.O. when I was in the C.G., yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2014 #29

Were the shooters even inside a bar? Its not explicitly stated so in the article. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #35

no, the shooting was on Bourbon Street TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #41

It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #92

Maybe so, but the shooting appears to have been in the street aikoaiko Jun 2014 #114

They got into a "disagreement" in a bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #116

once again you post a link that does NOT say what you claim it does TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #120

Yes I disagree with what this thread is about. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #121

see my reply to yours claiming that it started in a bar TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #118

Does it matter that the shooters were actually in the street and not in a bar? hack89 Jun 2014 #39

not according to the DKOS source TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #42

Here's USA Today LynneSin Jun 2014 #46

At 2:45AM on Bourbon Street these people were probably in bars drinking... LynneSin Jun 2014 #44

Or they were criminals selling drugs outside the bar hack89 Jun 2014 #54

What makes you so sure Caretha Jun 2014 #96

In either case they are criminals hack89 Jun 2014 #98

So now you know they Caretha Jun 2014 #100

You brought up drug dealers in bars hack89 Jul 2014 #129

and you know this how? Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #56

I love that Sportman's Paradise of Drunk Human Hunting.... LynneSin Jun 2014 #43

What none of the gun crowd will tell you... abakan Jun 2014 #45

Curious predicament you describe... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #107

I'm not asking anyone to disarm.. abakan Jul 2014 #142

Well, you set up another dichotemy. There is an actual Right to keep and BEAR arms... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #156

Hey Bobby! Go barhopping and hunting with Cheney! muntrv Jun 2014 #47

But guns keep us safe, don't they? SheilaT Jun 2014 #50

What we need is a good drunk w/a gun to handle the bad drunk w/a gun. Botany Jun 2014 #74

it'll take more than one incident to wake people up 0rganism Jun 2014 #53

"Sportman's Paradise"? You mean they are hunting tourists in Louisiana? McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #57

The Casualties Of 2nd Amendment Defenders On Display For All To See cantbeserious Jun 2014 #60

I went to new orleans for the very first time last year. I will never go back. Javaman Jun 2014 #69

No trips to New Orleans... usafvet65 Jun 2014 #75

Bourbon Street, New Orleans is major tourist central Sunlei Jun 2014 #82

we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values," mercuryblues Jun 2014 #95

Jindal and his backers always speak of how "intelligent" he is, he refuses to accept the Medicaid Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #101

Gee alcohol must impact caution who would have guessed? gordianot Jun 2014 #110

I wish there were more repukes Ilsa Jun 2014 #112

"Gun Humpers" = "Packing Contageon" SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #113

The shooting did not take place in a bar. former9thward Jul 2014 #119

Bourbon street is as crowded as a bar... lame54 Jul 2014 #127

So people never carry illegal guns on Burbon Street? hack89 Jul 2014 #131

how many of these shootings take place on bourbon street... lame54 Jul 2014 #132

Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #134

I'll bow out now... lame54 Jul 2014 #139

The law had nothing to do with what happened. former9thward Jul 2014 #136

Not deflecting... lame54 Jul 2014 #140

Their sportsman's paradise trumps the deads right to life. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #130

Another billboard ad coming up malaise Jul 2014 #137

10 NOLALady Jul 2014 #151

This will be so great for tourism! get the red out Jul 2014 #154