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NOLALady

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152. The actual crime rate has gone down in NOLA.

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:24 PM

Jul 2014

http://theadvocate.com/news/neworleans/neworleansnews/7981256-123/new-orleans-murders-lowest-in

"Some criminologists believe the reduction is evidence that the city might have finally gotten a handle on its murder epidemic, born in the 1960s and 1970s in neighborhoods plagued by poverty, poor education, shoddy prosecutions and a proliferation of guns, drugs and gangs.

“We’re now beginning in 2014 to grow out of that, to mature,” said Dee Wood Harper, a professor emeritus of sociology and criminology at Loyola University. “It looks to me like the culture is beginning to change.”

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Jindal approved law allowing loaded guns into bars---9shot 2Critical- [View all] G_j Jun 2014 OP

"celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values" elleng Jun 2014 #1

I have no opinion, this is DU pro gun territory, I dont want to upset the gun folks randys1 Jun 2014 #31

I don't coddle gun folks, elleng Jun 2014 #49

+1 brer cat Jun 2014 #68

Don't have to coddle. How about debate? Argument? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #103

Yes, and you may be here, elleng Jun 2014 #105

Elleng, the gunz-kontrol issue is the best freebie ever given the GOP. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #108

I am not, have not, and will not lash out. elleng Jun 2014 #109

I agree with you in Jindal. The complete ass. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #157

of course you think there should be a debate about loaded guns in bars CreekDog Jun 2014 #111

Ha! Creates the debate terms, assigns folks to either side... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #115

Guns, booze, and 2:00 AM what could go wrong? Botany Jun 2014 #73

Just celebrating the sportsman paradise of a major American city with some American values neverforget Jun 2014 #2

Just like Georgia where billh58 Jun 2014 #3

Holy crap! kentuck Jun 2014 #4

YOUR street, at the rate we're going. calimary Jun 2014 #51

Way to go, Booby KamaAina Jun 2014 #5

Maybe he should sue himself for negligence davidpdx Jun 2014 #80

Wow, really smart Jindal. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #6

Where are the gunners? They're normally here lickety split. BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #7

In a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #15

Oh, glad you made it BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #16

So you have some amplifying facts that the rest of us are not privy to? hack89 Jun 2014 #17

Did you read the part about the law where it is legal to carry a weapon into a bar? BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #23

In one of the most violent cities in the world hack89 Jun 2014 #30

I'm gob-smacked Caretha Jun 2014 #52

guns are allowed in many states where achohol Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #55

As my grandmother used to say.... Caretha Jun 2014 #59

no you just called Hack89 Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #70

I. Called. No. One. On. This. Forum. A. Name. Caretha Jun 2014 #93

with all due respect I will disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #94

Thank you for Caretha Jun 2014 #97

So coward is not an insult in your world? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #126

The law has nothing to do with the shootings hack89 Jun 2014 #58

I guess my post got some of you Caretha Jun 2014 #61

Insane as hell - it is a deadly combination. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #63

We can agree on that Caretha Jun 2014 #65

yep insane Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #71

It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #81

The OP doesn't say where it started hack89 Jun 2014 #84

That's why assuming it was gang related is tenuous BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #87

In violent, gang invested city with a sky high murder rate hack89 Jun 2014 #90

appears to have started outside the bar Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #91

that isn't what the article says TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #88

The actual crime rate has gone down in NOLA. NOLALady Jul 2014 #152

BrotherIvan never said the magic words "Concealed Carry" LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #33

The laws in question only apply to concealed carry. hack89 Jun 2014 #37

Because Bourbon Street is SO gang turf KamaAina Jun 2014 #104

It is a very violent place hack89 Jul 2014 #128

New Orleans, yes. KamaAina Jul 2014 #138

Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #144

Brother Ivan's powers of prediction are pedestrian. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #106

Let's watch those tourist dollars leave the border as these impromptu gun fights continue Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #8

paranoid gun humpers and liquor Skittles Jun 2014 #9

Nothing to see here, just patriotic Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights... Coventina Jun 2014 #10

Reason secondvariety Jun 2014 #11

Gee, I'd LOVE to hear the other 546. KamaAina Jun 2014 #12

It would be really nice to see the bystander victims sue Piyish and everyone in his office Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13

+100 n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #18

Don't you need some basic information first? hack89 Jun 2014 #19

I have some basic information. Jindal decided that in rooms crowded with drunks, guns would be Doctor_J Jun 2014 #22

What does that have to do with the OP? hack89 Jun 2014 #24

In the south, just open a classified section of the local paper and you can buy a LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #36

Not if the shooters were underaged or felons. hack89 Jun 2014 #38

I am sorry, but you wrong. An individual can purchase a weapon from another individual. LiberalArkie Jul 2014 #122

and it is against federal and state law Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #123

Such sales to prohibited people is illegal under state and federal law. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #125

So if you are a shooter Caretha Jun 2014 #64

Please read the entire sub thread before jumping in hack89 Jun 2014 #66

Last time I checked Caretha Jun 2014 #67

You can't sue Jindal for a gang shooting hack89 Jun 2014 #72

You assume a great deal. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #76

We also know the shooting was not in a bar hack89 Jun 2014 #77

I never stated it was in a bar. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #78

What is the most likely scenario though? hack89 Jun 2014 #79

I refrain from forming an opinion without any further information. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #83

The entire OP twists the truth to push an agenda hack89 Jun 2014 #85

I hear New Orleans is nice this time of year. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #86

Too violent - their murder rate is 10 times the national average hack89 Jun 2014 #89

And now you know why the rest of us have a problem with guns everywhere. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #133

Yet even New Orleans has seen significant drops in gun violence hack89 Jul 2014 #135

If you want to sue, sue the punk-thugs who committed the crime. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #102

So in a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #14

Thanks for weighing in. You and Open Carry enthusiasts are doing more for flamin lib Jun 2014 #32

I oppose open carry hack89 Jun 2014 #34

Well, to begin with I have no reason to believe otherwise. flamin lib Jun 2014 #99

If they were underaged or felons then the purchase would not be legal hack89 Jul 2014 #124

How do you know that they were underage or felons? What information do you have flamin lib Jul 2014 #141

"Just you wait" - the motto of gun control for 20 years. hack89 Jul 2014 #143

Still waiting to find out how you know what you seem to know and why you're so quick flamin lib Jul 2014 #145

I was only pointing out that the OP twisted the truth to support an agenda. hack89 Jul 2014 #146

So you've been passive in your support for UBC? flamin lib Jul 2014 #147

There are other issues facing America, you know hack89 Jul 2014 #148

Ahhh, still can't be bothered to send an email, huh? Walking and chewing gum . . . nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #149

RI is a small state. I get to meet my congressmen face to face hack89 Jul 2014 #150

The point you seem to miss is that it isn't Universal flamin lib Jul 2014 #153

Oh well hack89 Jul 2014 #155

Karma continues to be a bitch. trof Jun 2014 #20

Dangerously stupid rickyhall Jun 2014 #21

Two Cowardly Young Men??? otohara Jun 2014 #25

Loaded guns in bars: good. Loaded guns at gun shows: bad. Paladin Jun 2014 #26

Good thing this shooting was not in a bar. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #40

Oh sure! Let's go outside and shoot tourist. nt abakan Jun 2014 #48

Or let's settle a drug turf war hack89 Jun 2014 #62

They should also be constitutionally protected to be carried into the La state house. ancianita Jun 2014 #27

The Stupid Party gives us The Stupid Gov Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #28

I was stationed in N.O. when I was in the C.G., yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2014 #29

Were the shooters even inside a bar? Its not explicitly stated so in the article. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #35

no, the shooting was on Bourbon Street TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #41

It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #92

Maybe so, but the shooting appears to have been in the street aikoaiko Jun 2014 #114

They got into a "disagreement" in a bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #116

once again you post a link that does NOT say what you claim it does TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #120

Yes I disagree with what this thread is about. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #121

see my reply to yours claiming that it started in a bar TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #118

Does it matter that the shooters were actually in the street and not in a bar? hack89 Jun 2014 #39

not according to the DKOS source TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #42

Here's USA Today LynneSin Jun 2014 #46

At 2:45AM on Bourbon Street these people were probably in bars drinking... LynneSin Jun 2014 #44

Or they were criminals selling drugs outside the bar hack89 Jun 2014 #54

What makes you so sure Caretha Jun 2014 #96

In either case they are criminals hack89 Jun 2014 #98

So now you know they Caretha Jun 2014 #100

You brought up drug dealers in bars hack89 Jul 2014 #129

and you know this how? Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #56

I love that Sportman's Paradise of Drunk Human Hunting.... LynneSin Jun 2014 #43

What none of the gun crowd will tell you... abakan Jun 2014 #45

Curious predicament you describe... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #107

I'm not asking anyone to disarm.. abakan Jul 2014 #142

Well, you set up another dichotemy. There is an actual Right to keep and BEAR arms... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #156

Hey Bobby! Go barhopping and hunting with Cheney! muntrv Jun 2014 #47

But guns keep us safe, don't they? SheilaT Jun 2014 #50

What we need is a good drunk w/a gun to handle the bad drunk w/a gun. Botany Jun 2014 #74

it'll take more than one incident to wake people up 0rganism Jun 2014 #53

"Sportman's Paradise"? You mean they are hunting tourists in Louisiana? McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #57

The Casualties Of 2nd Amendment Defenders On Display For All To See cantbeserious Jun 2014 #60

I went to new orleans for the very first time last year. I will never go back. Javaman Jun 2014 #69

No trips to New Orleans... usafvet65 Jun 2014 #75

Bourbon Street, New Orleans is major tourist central Sunlei Jun 2014 #82

we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values," mercuryblues Jun 2014 #95

Jindal and his backers always speak of how "intelligent" he is, he refuses to accept the Medicaid Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #101

Gee alcohol must impact caution who would have guessed? gordianot Jun 2014 #110

I wish there were more repukes Ilsa Jun 2014 #112

"Gun Humpers" = "Packing Contageon" SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #113

The shooting did not take place in a bar. former9thward Jul 2014 #119

Bourbon street is as crowded as a bar... lame54 Jul 2014 #127

So people never carry illegal guns on Burbon Street? hack89 Jul 2014 #131

how many of these shootings take place on bourbon street... lame54 Jul 2014 #132

Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #134

I'll bow out now... lame54 Jul 2014 #139

The law had nothing to do with what happened. former9thward Jul 2014 #136

Not deflecting... lame54 Jul 2014 #140

Their sportsman's paradise trumps the deads right to life. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #130

Another billboard ad coming up malaise Jul 2014 #137

10 NOLALady Jul 2014 #151

This will be so great for tourism! get the red out Jul 2014 #154