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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)137. Bottom Line Difference
What I write: Radiation from Fukushima is something serious to worry about, affecting directly everyone on earth.
What you write: Fukushima is nothing to worry about.
Oh, yeah. Almost forgot an example. It's something you demand, yet never provide, a source:
Researchers find plutonium contamination from Fukushima in Europe...
J Environ Radioact. 2011 Dec 27. (Epub ahead of print)
Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.
Lujanienė G, Byčenkienė S, Povinec PP, Gera M.
Source : Environmental Research Department, SRI Center for Physical Sciences and Technology, Savanoriu 231, 02300 Vilnius, Lithuania.
Abstract
Analyses of (131)I, (137)Cs and (134)Cs in airborne aerosols were carried out in daily samples in Vilnius, Lithuania after the Fukushima accident during the period of March-April, 2011. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs ranged from 12 μBq/m(3) and 1.4 μBq/m(3) to 3700 μBq/m(3) and 1040 μBq/m(3), respectively. The activity concentration of (239,240)Pu in one aerosol sample collected from 23 March to 15 April, 2011 was found to be 44.5 nBq/m(3). The two maxima found in radionuclide concentrations were related to complicated long-range air mass transport from Japan across the Pacific, the North America and the Atlantic Ocean to Central Europe as indicated by modelling. HYSPLIT backward trajectories and meteorological data were applied for interpretation of activity variations of measured radionuclides observed at the site of investigation. (7)Be and (212)Pb activity concentrations and their ratios were used as tracers of vertical transport of air masses. Fukushima data were compared with the data obtained during the Chernobyl accident and in the post Chernobyl period. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs were found to be by 4 orders of magnitude lower as compared to the Chernobyl accident. The activity ratio of (134)Cs/(137)Cs was around 1 with small variations only. The activity ratio of (238)Pu/(239,240)Pu in the aerosol sample was 1.2, indicating a presence of the spent fuel of different origin than that of the Chernobyl accident.
SOURCE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22206700
And another one:
Plutonium bioaccumulation in seabirds
Dagmara I. Strumińska-Parulska, Bogdan Skwarzec, Jacek Fabisiak
University of Gdańsk, Faculty of Chemistry, Analytics and Environmental Radiochemistry Chair, Sobieskiego 18, 80-952 Gdańsk, Poland
Received 7 April 2011. Revised 5 July 2011. Accepted 16 July 2011. Available online 23 August 2011.
The aim of the paper was plutonium (238Pu and 239+240Pu) determination in seabirds, permanently or temporarily living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea coast. Together 11 marine birds species were examined: 3 species permanently residing in the southern Baltic, 4 species of wintering birds and 3 species of migrating birds. The obtained results indicated plutonium is non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of analyzed seabirds. The highest plutonium content was found in the digestion organs and feathers, the smallest in skin and muscles. The plutonium concentration was lower in analyzed species which feed on fish and much higher in herbivorous species. The main source of plutonium in analyzed marine birds was global atmospheric fallout.
Highlights
► We determined 239+240Pu in seabirds living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea. ► We noticed plutonium was non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of seabirds. ► We found the highest plutonium content in the digestion organs and feathers. ► We found Pu content was lower in birds feeding on fish and higher in herbivorous.
SOURCE: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265931X11001676
So, given that, I find it most disheartening to learn that research on fallout from Fukushima, does not get funded in the United States -- even after radioactive sulfur from Fukushima was monitored in Southern California.
Ocean water off La Jolla coast being monitored (and not) for Fukushima radiation
By Pat Sherman
La Jolla Light, Feb. 4, 2014
EXCERPT...
In 2011 Thiemens and a crew of UCSD atmospheric chemists reported the first quantitative measurement of the amount of radiation leaked from the damaged nuclear reactor in Fukushima, following the devastating earthquake and tsunami there.
Their estimate was based on radioactive sulfur that wafted across the Pacific Ocean after operators of the damaged reactor had to cool overheated fuel with seawater causing a chemical reaction between byproducts of nuclear fission and chlorine ions in the saltwater.
Thiemens has, for the past several years, unsuccessfully sought to obtain grant funding to follow-up his research, first reported on Aug. 15 2011 in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
However, he said neither the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Environmental Protection Agency, California Air Resources Board or National Academy of Sciences (of which he is a member) were interested in funding additional research to measure the Fukushima fallout.
Its probably one of these things that just fell through the cracks, Thiemens said. It doesnt quite fall under classical (research criteria).
CONTINUED...
http://www.lajollalight.com/2014/02/04/ocean-water-off-la-jolla-coast-being-monitored-for-fukushima-radiation/
So, there's that to back up what I write.
You? I'll have to take your word on it. As for your OPs on Fukushima, GOOGLE shows the sources, for some reason, tend toward trade groups that support nuclear industry.
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I fixed a cracked bell housing with JB Weld once, but then ran out of vitamin D3
snooper2
Oct 2014
#101
well, the year is 12014, they still haven't fixed all the machines yet- (just like Y2K)
snooper2
Oct 2014
#94
Sailor on Fukushima Impact on Pacific: “It’s dead for thousands of miles there was nothing"
RobertEarl
Oct 2014
#86
Even the North Pacific contains far too great a volume of water to be heated by a nuclear reactor.
Spider Jerusalem
Oct 2014
#12
"the energy being releases causes friction which creates heat which boils water"?
uppityperson
Oct 2014
#119
I am going to go rub a couple molecules of h2o together and see if they heat up.
uppityperson
Oct 2014
#151
There's a word for people who post the same debunked thing in multiple forums.
zappaman
Oct 2014
#28
OBTW, you do realize that radioactive compounds tend to be heavier than water, don't you?
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#8
"Decades later, huge percentages of towns and city people were dead of leukemias, rare blastomas.."
EX500rider
Oct 2014
#52
clinton lake is the cooling pond for the clinton power plant (nukes)
questionseverything
Oct 2014
#76
so you accept the theory that nuke plants raise water temps, correct?
questionseverything
Oct 2014
#82
Coal plants, Natural Gas plants, Nuclear plants, all thermal plants heat water.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#84
Have you looked at the claims RobertEarl makes? Have you tried to get him to do any math?
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2014
#67
What do you mean by "="? Same amount of radioactive material? Same amount of radiation?
Recursion
Oct 2014
#47
Go to the second map, click on the southern part of Honshu to get the whole island
Warpy
Oct 2014
#61
My own personal minder dude. What's the difference between tag team and bullying?
Octafish
Oct 2014
#138
Did really just link to a thread tying you to UFO and other conspiracy nonsense?
FBaggins
Oct 2014
#146
Go ahead and dazzle us with that "science" (sic) and math you keep mentioning.
FBaggins
Oct 2014
#109
He can't even understand basic science, much less physics and nuclear physics.
hobbit709
Oct 2014
#127
I'd like to know what institutions have received funding to study those questions?
Octafish
Oct 2014
#140
And I won't hold my breath expecting you to use science-real science that is
hobbit709
Oct 2014
#143
the reason you were blocked was because you consistently spouted non-scientific nonsense.
hobbit709
Oct 2014
#150
tons of rock inside your skull? I'd have to take measurements and do some calculations.
hobbit709
Oct 2014
#153