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In reply to the discussion: I just wanted to post a quick note of support for Violet Crumble... [View all]boston bean
(36,415 posts)78. Here is a snippet of my posts as GD Host regarding this which I think explains most of it:
The below is a conversation I had with quinnox after he finally showed his face in the hosts group:
From my point of view and how things went down:
This post (see link) was locked by GD Host Violet Crumble at 7:30am eastern this morning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025208861
It now shows it has been locked by quinnox.
How the hell did that happen?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025208861
It now shows it has been locked by quinnox.
How the hell did that happen?
quinnox (20,600 posts)
3. Yes, I re-locked the thread. After seeing the abuse and attacks that were aimed at Violet, I don't
blame her for bowing out.
I hadn't realized that hosts can lock their own threads, until I saw a suggestion by another host in another thread here.
I think all those who attacked Violet owe her an apology, that was very ugly to see all those attacks.
This lynch mob mentality is out of control.
I will only unlock the thread if directed to by an admin. Period.
I wanted it locked in the first place because the lynch mob started attacking and witch hunting other duers in the thread who had been defending me. All those duers who are trying to to make lynch mobs or witch hunts acceptable are in the wrong, and making DU suck, in a big way.
When I saw old posts of mine started to be dug up, I knew it was time to lock the thread, before the lynch mob mentality mindset/frenzy of this started attacking fellow duers in the same manner. Which they had already started attacking duers who had and were defending me. It was disgusting.
I now think, more than ever, Warren Stupidity's suggestion of ditching hosts completely makes more sense than ever. The lynch mob mentality is out of control.
3. Yes, I re-locked the thread. After seeing the abuse and attacks that were aimed at Violet, I don't
blame her for bowing out.
I hadn't realized that hosts can lock their own threads, until I saw a suggestion by another host in another thread here.
I think all those who attacked Violet owe her an apology, that was very ugly to see all those attacks.
This lynch mob mentality is out of control.
I will only unlock the thread if directed to by an admin. Period.
I wanted it locked in the first place because the lynch mob started attacking and witch hunting other duers in the thread who had been defending me. All those duers who are trying to to make lynch mobs or witch hunts acceptable are in the wrong, and making DU suck, in a big way.
When I saw old posts of mine started to be dug up, I knew it was time to lock the thread, before the lynch mob mentality mindset/frenzy of this started attacking fellow duers in the same manner. Which they had already started attacking duers who had and were defending me. It was disgusting.
I now think, more than ever, Warren Stupidity's suggestion of ditching hosts completely makes more sense than ever. The lynch mob mentality is out of control.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
4. How were you able to lock it. I tried to unlock it and it would not allow me any superpowers.
Did Violet unlock it and tell you she had done so, so you could re-lock?
No one attacked Violet, people were unhappy with her locking the thread with no consensus and taking off for 12 hours.
And now, I'm peeved. You do not have consensus to lock that thread. Please unlock it and then self delete it.
4. How were you able to lock it. I tried to unlock it and it would not allow me any superpowers.
Did Violet unlock it and tell you she had done so, so you could re-lock?
No one attacked Violet, people were unhappy with her locking the thread with no consensus and taking off for 12 hours.
And now, I'm peeved. You do not have consensus to lock that thread. Please unlock it and then self delete it.
quinnox (20,600 posts)
5. No, I will not allow my thread to be used as a staging ground for witch hunts
The thread is locked, and I'm not understanding why you want me to unlock it, and then self delete. In either case, the thread will be locked. As it is now.
5. No, I will not allow my thread to be used as a staging ground for witch hunts
The thread is locked, and I'm not understanding why you want me to unlock it, and then self delete. In either case, the thread will be locked. As it is now.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
7. No shit, that's why you should have deleted in the first place.
Why the hell won't/didn't you just delete it?
You don't want further posts in the OP, your only option is to delete it. You are abusing your hosting powers at this point. I feel like an end run has been made around hosts here in this group to keep a thread locked that has no consensus. You are not special. If you don't want further posts in your OP you delete. You don't use powers other who are not hosts don't have the power to use.
7. No shit, that's why you should have deleted in the first place.
Why the hell won't/didn't you just delete it?
You don't want further posts in the OP, your only option is to delete it. You are abusing your hosting powers at this point. I feel like an end run has been made around hosts here in this group to keep a thread locked that has no consensus. You are not special. If you don't want further posts in your OP you delete. You don't use powers other who are not hosts don't have the power to use.
quinnox (20,600 posts)
10. If admins want that thread to remain open, they can either direct me to unlock it, and I will do so,
or I believe they can over-ride the lock and just unlock it themselves. I think I saw this in the past anyhow. Regardless, if they want me to unlock it, I will happily comply.
But why they, (or anyone for that matter) would want that thread to be opened again, which turned into a cluster-fuck of a lynch mob mentality, with not only me, but other duers who were unwilling to participate in the mob made up as targets, this would be beyond my reasoning.
You are not in charge here. Neither are your fellow gang members who perpetuated this fiasco.
10. If admins want that thread to remain open, they can either direct me to unlock it, and I will do so,
or I believe they can over-ride the lock and just unlock it themselves. I think I saw this in the past anyhow. Regardless, if they want me to unlock it, I will happily comply.
But why they, (or anyone for that matter) would want that thread to be opened again, which turned into a cluster-fuck of a lynch mob mentality, with not only me, but other duers who were unwilling to participate in the mob made up as targets, this would be beyond my reasoning.
You are not in charge here. Neither are your fellow gang members who perpetuated this fiasco.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
11. Because you are not king host and you do not get special favors nor do you get to use.
special powers others do not have. You can delete your thread, that is your option. It is a complete matter of principle at this point. An end run, a complete game has been played here. I don't know if you will survive it.
11. Because you are not king host and you do not get special favors nor do you get to use.
special powers others do not have. You can delete your thread, that is your option. It is a complete matter of principle at this point. An end run, a complete game has been played here. I don't know if you will survive it.
quinnox (20,600 posts)
15. I think admins need to take a serious look at all those who disrupted my thread, and consider if
those duers who formed a lynch mob, and started attacking not just myself, but duers who defended me, if this type of witch hunting that some duers are engaging in, and consider if they are contributing to a positive and friendly atmosphere here at DU. And I mean, every single one of the disruptors.
15. I think admins need to take a serious look at all those who disrupted my thread, and consider if
those duers who formed a lynch mob, and started attacking not just myself, but duers who defended me, if this type of witch hunting that some duers are engaging in, and consider if they are contributing to a positive and friendly atmosphere here at DU. And I mean, every single one of the disruptors.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
20. I do hope they take a close look at that thread to, but for other reasons.
Also, that has nothing to do with you having a host lock your thread after refusing to delete it yourself. Then having that host unlock it without a peep to the rest of the hosts here and you then go and re-lock it.
That sucks. That's gaming the system. That's unethical and is not in good form.
20. I do hope they take a close look at that thread to, but for other reasons.
Also, that has nothing to do with you having a host lock your thread after refusing to delete it yourself. Then having that host unlock it without a peep to the rest of the hosts here and you then go and re-lock it.
That sucks. That's gaming the system. That's unethical and is not in good form.
quinnox (20,600 posts)
22. After constantly misrepresenting what I said and did, and being dishonest, you are not one I would
consider to have any credibility when it comes to ethics.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
23. I don't give a shit why you wanted the thread locked.
I give a shit that it was locked without consensus, that you refuse to self delete, and then the locking hosts unlocks so you can re-lock yourself.
That's what's at issue here. Stop with the deflection. Take your lumps. Do the adult thing, unlock your thread, and self delete if you don't want further replies to it.
23. I don't give a shit why you wanted the thread locked.
I give a shit that it was locked without consensus, that you refuse to self delete, and then the locking hosts unlocks so you can re-lock yourself.
That's what's at issue here. Stop with the deflection. Take your lumps. Do the adult thing, unlock your thread, and self delete if you don't want further replies to it.
quinnox (20,600 posts)
26. The thread is locked, which is the end result of self-deleting. You are not making any sense
whatsoever. I will ignore the rude attacks, because I have come to expect them from you.
boston bean (20,913 posts)
28. No it does not resolve this.
You don't get to lock even your own thread without consensus. Your option is to delete your thread if you don't want further replies.
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I just wanted to post a quick note of support for Violet Crumble... [View all]
stevenleser
Jul 2014
OP
cd you pls pm me too? I knew Violet, used to email her, but lost touch with her, and
ellenrr
Jul 2014
#150
good point, hopefully she will do the same for those who alert that were ignored before
JI7
Jul 2014
#29
I wouldn't have known that locking someone else's OP at their request was a bad thing.
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#21
It was while the hosts' group consensus was to leave it, so actually it is kind of serious
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#30
Yes, it's kind of hard to see this as just an unfortunate mistake that anyone could have made.
Sheldon Cooper
Jul 2014
#31
agreed- it was with full knowledge of how disruptive it would be, no "mistake" there.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#33
knowing the proper thing to do would be informing the hosts who were upset- but instead Quinnox is
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#34
yes, it's the thread about a Bridge and Troll with over 400 posts as of this moment
JI7
Jul 2014
#41
Going through it now! I am laughing my ass off at these "ohh, why didn't people just put the
Number23
Jul 2014
#46
No, I didn't see them. I have grown utterly exhausted by this place and don't spend nearly as much
Number23
Jul 2014
#50
You have to give props to Q. Not only did he game the system, but he charmed & trolled the "hosts".
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#134
Oh girl, please. He only charmed and trolled those displaying the same behavior as him
Number23
Jul 2014
#138
The huffery has gone to DefCon Level Nth, with his departure. Funny that he departs....
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#144
It does kinda roll off the tongue, don't it? And is perfectly suited to this "situation".
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#156
Yes her intentions were good and she didnt deserve the harassment she got. Now we have
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#53
Here is a snippet of my posts as GD Host regarding this which I think explains most of it:
boston bean
Jul 2014
#78
Hmmm. I didn't intend this OP to hash out what happened, but this helps fill in a lot. Thanks
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#58
Wow. Thank you for all of that, Sissyk. Best wishes to both you and VioletCrumble.
Hekate
Jul 2014
#73
I think yr being way too hard on yrself and you don't have anything to take the blame for...
Violet_Crumble
Jul 2014
#89
If only. But those that trashed VC are responsible for their own actions and haven't been
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#123
I think saying "she was manipulated by a charismatic friend" isn't the best way to clear her name.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#206
i stopped reading at "feeding frenzy" and this is the insult to duers. a troll, we were all mostly
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#209
Violet was one of the personalities on Foreign Affairs (I/P) forum many years ago
Jack Rabbit
Jul 2014
#60
I like VC. She & I butted heads our first MIRT term together and came to mutually respect each other
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#72
Welcome back VC. I hope you won't let your treatment discourage you from hosting.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#99
So are you saying that maybe VC will be the next "house-keeping" project? Don't you
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#157
I think what you guys did and are continuing to do with regard to VC is low. But it seems
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#159
How would you know what a liberal Democrat would do? What VC did was one event
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#161
I know what a liberal democrat is because you continually tell me what one would do and not do...
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#162
I will give you credit for being clever. But your "house-keeping" stinks. nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#163
Since serving a couple terms on MIRT with you, I have always seen you as fair and objective.
bluesbassman
Jul 2014
#135
Hosts can only rule on the original post, which was not whining but in support of a DUer
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#145
I think it's inappropriate to trash hosts. Not all host decisions are consistent because
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#164
I agree. No one in DU should be trashing anyone. There are still a few above that are
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#167
I wouldn't have a problem with GD Host's Forum being open to all to see if there was a
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#202
You have very valid questions. The very concept of getting a small group out
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#212
Thank you, and I would say the same back at you. Maintaining person sanity is my goal.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#203
Are you complaining about the GD Hosts? It's getting to be an old record. nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#182
When someone is sick or their family has a tragedy, they come in here and tell us.
Rex
Jul 2014
#179
I've mixed it up with her many time and even had some heated arguments. She is a great human being.
Kurska
Jul 2014
#208
K&R for someone I've always considered to be an outstanding friend to have
closeupready
Jul 2014
#220