I think saying "she was manipulated by a charismatic friend" isn't the best way to clear her name. (Reply #206)

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Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:37 AM

206. I think saying "she was manipulated by a charismatic friend" isn't the best way to clear her name.

I know you have good intentions, but it sounds to me like damning with faint praise.

I don't know but doubt very much that he was her "friend". And the term "friend" in this case, when associated with a "troll" has been used as a pejorative kinda like "apologist".

And IMO VC is a big girl and not easily "manipulated". In fact she has taken responsibility for her actions which, IMO, were to try to end the feeding frenzy. The fact that her action failed is no more her fault than those that used it to continue the feeding frenzy and try to drag her into the chaos.

And with regard to manipulation, I think it is crazy-ironic that those that went overboard with their dozens and dozens of posts, in multiple threads, repeating the same things over and over, accusing those that tried to calm the situation of "helping a friend", claiming that the "troll" was here to disrupt......don't realize that if that was his goal, they helped him succeed.

VC was unfairly accused and some have apologized and some are still holding out.

I appreciate your kind words for her.

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I just wanted to post a quick note of support for Violet Crumble... [View all]	stevenleser	Jul 2014	OP
To Violet!	greatauntoftriplets	Jul 2014	#1
I've always liked her.	Kaleva	Jul 2014	#2
I agree wholeheartedly.	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#3
I've always liked her.	In_The_Wind	Jul 2014	#4
Everyone makes mistakes	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#5
I've been following this.....	Little Star	Jul 2014	#9
I haven't seen it	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#12
Sometimes I'm a bit slow. Duh!	Little Star	Jul 2014	#13
No, it was how I wrote the sentence	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#14
She does below	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#126
Thanks.	Little Star	Jul 2014	#129
Is there a back-story? Seems like odd times at DU as of late.	Throd	Jul 2014	#6
It's a bit convoluted. Has to do with the whole Quinnox issue/banning. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#7
Thanks. That's all I need to know. I'm going to walk away from this thread now.	Throd	Jul 2014	#10
(in my best Jimmy JJ Walker voice) SAY WHATTTTT???!!	Number23	Jul 2014	#38
Yup...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#42
Hot Damn!!!	Number23	Jul 2014	#45
+1	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2014	#130
In the spirit of moving on...	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#8
What Happened, Sir?	The Magistrate	Jul 2014	#11
I will PM you. I don't want to make this OP/thread about the ugliness. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#15
Gee Steve it already is about the ugliness.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2014	#80
Alas, the details did get posted shortly after I expressed those comments.	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#92
cd you pls pm me too? I knew Violet, used to email her, but lost touch with her, and	ellenrr	Jul 2014	#150
She was taken advantage of by a troll	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#16
there was no being taken of advantage there	JI7	Jul 2014	#18
I've been in contact with her, and I believe she acted in good faith...	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#25
+1	Go Vols	Jul 2014	#27
good point, hopefully she will do the same for those who alert that were ignored before	JI7	Jul 2014	#29
+1	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2014	#133
I don't doubt she did what she thought was best	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#44
Plus a hundred!	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#66
good summary. nt	uppityperson	Jul 2014	#19
I wouldn't have known that locking someone else's OP at their request was a bad thing.	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#21
She knew better.	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#24
It was while the hosts' group consensus was to leave it, so actually it is kind of serious	bettyellen	Jul 2014	#30
Yes, it's kind of hard to see this as just an unfortunate mistake that anyone could have made.	Sheldon Cooper	Jul 2014	#31
agreed- it was with full knowledge of how disruptive it would be, no "mistake" there.	bettyellen	Jul 2014	#33
Fwiw, she quietly unlocked it on her own, without posting about it in F&G.	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#32
knowing the proper thing to do would be informing the hosts who were upset- but instead Quinnox is	bettyellen	Jul 2014	#34
Wait... are you people saying that quinnox was banned??!	Number23	Jul 2014	#39
it's true. There's a 420+ reply post about it on page 1.	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#40
yes, it's the thread about a Bridge and Troll with over 400 posts as of this moment	JI7	Jul 2014	#41
Going through it now! I am laughing my ass off at these "ohh, why didn't people just put the	Number23	Jul 2014	#46
did you see the threads during the past few days which led up to this ?	JI7	Jul 2014	#48
No, I didn't see them. I have grown utterly exhausted by this place and don't spend nearly as much	Number23	Jul 2014	#50
I hope you stick around a little, at least. We need your voice.	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#107
Thank you for that. That is really kind of you.	Number23	Jul 2014	#125
I like the way you put that	BootinUp	Jul 2014	#120
You have to give props to Q. Not only did he game the system, but he charmed & trolled the "hosts".	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2014	#134
Oh girl, please. He only charmed and trolled those displaying the same behavior as him	Number23	Jul 2014	#138
mmm hmm.	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#142
The huffery has gone to DefCon Level Nth, with his departure. Funny that he departs....	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2014	#144
"Huffery" is a great word...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#154
It does kinda roll off the tongue, don't it? And is perfectly suited to this "situation".	Tarheel_Dem	Jul 2014	#156
Happy to be giving you the good news, my fellow group member!	bettyellen	Jul 2014	#43
Yes her intentions were good and she didnt deserve the harassment she got. Now we have	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#53
Reading the host threads posted in GD was certainly an eye opener.	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#75
Here is a snippet of my posts as GD Host regarding this which I think explains most of it:	boston bean	Jul 2014	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	A-Schwarzenegger	Jul 2014	#82
I think you left out a bit.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#87
EarlG locked others as well	maddezmom	Jul 2014	#93
Yes he did.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#95
Guess what I was trying to say, is he locked others	maddezmom	Jul 2014	#97
You are correct.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#101
I love the hell out of this:	MadrasT	Jul 2014	#96
It certainly shows why he was PPR'd	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#114
amazing how such an asshole of that level	JI7	Jul 2014	#122
I don't know the details, but I always respect your opinion on matters.	merrily	Jul 2014	#103
quinnox finally got banned?	DonCoquixote	Jul 2014	#76
I Appreciate The Information	The Magistrate	Jul 2014	#55
i don't think it was a mistake on her part	JI7	Jul 2014	#17
I agree with you...nt	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#22
+ 1 nt	riderinthestorm	Jul 2014	#47
Narcasists tend to, also, be seductive ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2014	#52
She's about the most inoffensive person I've ever met on this site	LittleBlue	Jul 2014	#20
I've rarely had disagreements with VC and appreciate her posts. I don't	Purveyor	Jul 2014	#23
She hasn't been PPRed	Aerows	Jul 2014	#26
Kick and Rec!	zappaman	Jul 2014	#28
Democracy is hard work.	McCamy Taylor	Jul 2014	#35
I would like to hear from her directly.	Kali	Jul 2014	#36
Always loved violet.	hrmjustin	Jul 2014	#37
I was on MIRT w/her and she seemed really nice	TBF	Jul 2014	#49
My favorite Aussie	IronLionZion	Jul 2014	#51
Where to begin.....	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#54
Hmmm. I didn't intend this OP to hash out what happened, but this helps fill in a lot. Thanks	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#58
Thanks for that.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#59
Thank you for this post. n/t	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2014	#61
You're welcome.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#65
I think you are over-analyzing.	Behind the Aegis	Jul 2014	#63
Thank you for this!	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#64
I have very limited knowledge of what goes on in the hosts forum	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#71
Thank you.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#83
Wow. Thank you for all of that, Sissyk. Best wishes to both you and VioletCrumble.	Hekate	Jul 2014	#73
Thank you.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#85
the hosts forum sounds a little bit like meta	hfojvt	Jul 2014	#74
I agree with this post.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2014	#81
Thank you, Warren.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#86
I think yr being way too hard on yrself and you don't have anything to take the blame for...	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2014	#89
Thank you, VC!	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#90
I appreciate your post and I believe VC will also.	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#91
Thanks, rhett.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#94
The one to blame can't apologize.	JTFrog	Jul 2014	#115
He had support on some of those threads from people who are not banned	merrily	Jul 2014	#118
If only. But those that trashed VC are responsible for their own actions and haven't been	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#123
A wise woman instructed me to give forgiveness when someone asks for it,	merrily	Jul 2014	#102
Thank you, merrily.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#104
You're most welcome.	merrily	Jul 2014	#108
Oh, I'm finished beating up myself!	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#109
Good for you on both counts.	merrily	Jul 2014	#111
Yes, it was all over a thread about shaving.	Sissyk	Jul 2014	#116
I have enjoyed it as well, sissyk.	merrily	Jul 2014	#117
this is exactly why	Texasgal	Jul 2014	#137
please pm me about whatever happened. n/t.	Ken Burch	Jul 2014	#56
I feel like she was manipulated by a charismatic friend.	bravenak	Jul 2014	#57
I think saying "she was manipulated by a charismatic friend" isn't the best way to clear her name.	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#206
i stopped reading at "feeding frenzy" and this is the insult to duers. a troll, we were all mostly	seabeyond	Jul 2014	#209
Violet was one of the personalities on Foreign Affairs (I/P) forum many years ago	Jack Rabbit	Jul 2014	#60
My wife is Australian. Her favorite was Violet Crumble...	DreamGypsy	Jul 2014	#62
I am totally confused by this whole thing	StevieM	Jul 2014	#67
only a General Discussion host can lock a thread in here	steve2470	Jul 2014	#68
Who is a GD host? Is that like an Administrator? (eom)	StevieM	Jul 2014	#69
they are members who have chosen to host this forum	steve2470	Jul 2014	#70
I like VC. She & I butted heads our first MIRT term together and came to mutually respect each other	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2014	#72
Agree with you	maddezmom	Jul 2014	#77
I am quite sure that VC acted in good faith. As indeed did SissyK.	LeftishBrit	Jul 2014	#79
Violet Crumble, you have lots of support. You were doing your very best	KittyWampus	Jul 2014	#84
Okay, reading through most of this thread was a humbling experience...	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2014	#88
Violet_Crumble	MadrasT	Jul 2014	#98
Welcome back VC. I hope you won't let your treatment discourage you from hosting.	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#99
excellent post and commendable attitude nt	steve2470	Jul 2014	#100
glad you posted. I hope the people who slammed you are shamed	OKNancy	Jul 2014	#105
I'm sorry things went down the way they did.	IdaBriggs	Jul 2014	#106
Thanks for posting.	cyberswede	Jul 2014	#110
Good to see you back	maddezmom	Jul 2014	#113
Glad you are still here, VC.	merrily	Jul 2014	#119
HA!	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2014	#121
I appreciate that you addressed the issue	CreekDog	Jul 2014	#124
I have to agree with you here. How the person that broke hosting rules	boston bean	Jul 2014	#152
+1...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#155
So are you saying that maybe VC will be the next "house-keeping" project? Don't you	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#157
No, that's not what I'm saying...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#158
I think what you guys did and are continuing to do with regard to VC is low. But it seems	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#159
No, that's not at all what I said...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#160
How would you know what a liberal Democrat would do? What VC did was one event	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#161
I know what a liberal democrat is because you continually tell me what one would do and not do...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#162
I will give you credit for being clever. But your "house-keeping" stinks. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#163
I don't know what your obsession wtih "house-keeping" is	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#169
Rick likes to accuse people who alert for SOP of practicing censorship...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#170
Oh, I see	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#171
No worries. But only he knows why he says the things he says...	SidDithers	Jul 2014	#172
WHAT?? Do tell.	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#168
C'mon, rhett, spill the beans!!! Who was caught doing this?	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#173
Don't you think if anyone had	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#174
Exactly. I think Rhett o Rick is just making that up.	PeaceNikki	Jul 2014	#185
What was the answer?	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2014	#215
You are one ornery ....er something or other. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#219
Since serving a couple terms on MIRT with you, I have always seen you as fair and objective.	bluesbassman	Jul 2014	#135
Hang in there!	kdmorris	Jul 2014	#149
DAAAAAAAAAAAA-RAMA!	snooper2	Jul 2014	#112
Bottom line is	DonCoquixote	Jul 2014	#127
They've got one	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#128
oh really?	DonCoquixote	Jul 2014	#131
I like Violet. What happened to her? nt	ellenrr	Jul 2014	#132
I've always enjoyed Violets	Texasgal	Jul 2014	#136
Read the SoP. This is not GD material.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#139
Cats and guns	Go Vols	Jul 2014	#140
You tried your SOP alert and the hosts rejected it. Move on. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2014	#141
I knew the hosts wouldn't lock. They are worthless	morningfog	Jul 2014	#143
Hosts can only rule on the original post, which was not whining but in support of a DUer	uppityperson	Jul 2014	#145
If I had been a host I wouldn't have locked this either	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#146
Point of order!	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2014	#148
I'm happy to try	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#153
This GD host has a question for you...	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2014	#147
I think it's inappropriate to trash hosts. Not all host decisions are consistent because	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#164
i think it is inappropriate for hosts to trash duers.	seabeyond	Jul 2014	#165
I agree. No one in DU should be trashing anyone. There are still a few above that are	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#167
Open the hosting forum so we can read and decide.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#177
Read and decide what? nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#181
You know, transparency, democracy	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#183
Like the MIRT discussions? nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#190
Sure, why not?	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#192
Whether there is any basis for decisions.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#187
I dont have a problem with the host's discussions being open	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#189
LOL. The GD Hosts are worthless and don't do jack.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#191
You realize you could see right now...	Agschmid	Jul 2014	#194
Here's what confused me the short time I was a host	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#196
Nope...	Agschmid	Jul 2014	#199
I only have an issue with GD.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#197
Well then this will help...	Agschmid	Jul 2014	#198
I only have an issue with the Music Appreciation Group.	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2014	#201
Results of your Jury Service	X_Digger	Jul 2014	#207
Hmmm...silly alert imo.	one_voice	Jul 2014	#210
Jesus Fucking Christ.	RiffRandell	Jul 2014	#213
Shocked they didn't suggest she be banned...	one_voice	Jul 2014	#216
Good reply. I tend to over react when people trash hosts in GD. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#200
I believe one has to have a star to be a host.	NYC_SKP	Jul 2014	#204
You are correct, I overlooked that.	Agschmid	Jul 2014	#205
Could say the same thing about the NSA	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#193
I wouldn't have a problem with GD Host's Forum being open to all to see if there was a	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#202
I don't disagree with that	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#211
You have very valid questions. The very concept of getting a small group out	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#212
I did address them to the administrators	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#214
The decisions from the GD Hosts will differ depending on who is in the	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#217
I might have believed that	BainsBane	Jul 2014	#218
I voted not to hide your reply.	NYC_SKP	Jul 2014	#195
Thank you, and I would say the same back at you. Maintaining person sanity is my goal.	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#203
Time to let it go, this forum is now GD/META	Rex	Jul 2014	#176
They have changed the rules, by not enforcing them.	morningfog	Jul 2014	#178
Then they are changed, officially or unofficially.	Rex	Jul 2014	#180
Are you complaining about the GD Hosts? It's getting to be an old record. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2014	#182
me too	mercuryblues	Jul 2014	#151
A fresh perspective!	A-Schwarzenegger	Jul 2014	#175
let's face it	mercuryblues	Jul 2014	#184
I unequivocabally do not disagree.	A-Schwarzenegger	Jul 2014	#188
She's awesome!	RiffRandell	Jul 2014	#166
When someone is sick or their family has a tragedy, they come in here and tell us.	Rex	Jul 2014	#179
Well done, well done indeed and thank you.	Autumn	Jul 2014	#186
I've mixed it up with her many time and even had some heated arguments. She is a great human being.	Kurska	Jul 2014	#208
K&R for someone I've always considered to be an outstanding friend to have	closeupready	Jul 2014	#220

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