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Stargleamer

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39. Spot-on and True. ..

Sun Jul 13, 2014, 12:56 PM

Jul 2014

1) I agree with you that bringing up these statistics in a thread decrying what happened to this girl was dismissive and inappropriate.

2) having said as much, if you look at these figures it seems like for all these categories (forcible rape, assault, theft, etc.) there was a drop-off around 1992. Radfems have noted that there are more men who would commit rape if they knew they would not get caught--hell they admitted as much in a survey taken of American boys from years ago. I think the advent of DNA technology to detect crimes around the early 1990's (remember OJ Simpson?) gave all would-be criminals--rapists and others--good reasons to not go through with their inclinations. This is speculative I know, but what I always think of whenever I hear someone say "Oh, but incidents of rape are going down!". Well, that and rape is the most under-reported of crimes.

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Horrifying New Details On the 'Viral' Rape of 16-Year-Old Jada [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP

When and HOW did rape become not only acceptable angstlessk Jul 2014 #1

The internet and Social media have made it worse BainsBane Jul 2014 #3

Are you telling me, what I used to believe... angstlessk Jul 2014 #4

I don't know about that BainsBane Jul 2014 #5

I get it....if you know your rapist...it's not rape angstlessk Jul 2014 #6

sorry, as a victim this disgusts me TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #81

It's not about you...it is about someone who would rape angstlessk Jul 2014 #172

But one of those victims you don't want to disgrace is telling you she objects to that. Squinch Jul 2014 #176

Wise words BainsBane Jul 2014 #186

I don't think you "get it" joeglow3 Jul 2014 #183

I do say call any man who rapes an unconscious woman a necrophiliac angstlessk Jul 2014 #184

That is not what I responding to joeglow3 Jul 2014 #185

I've always heard other inmates hate baby rapists justiceischeap Jul 2014 #32

no idea what led you to believe that TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #80

It has not become more "acceptable" YarnAddict Jul 2014 #10

Well, they don't seem to be dealing with it now. historylovr Jul 2014 #24

Males will never YarnAddict Jul 2014 #36

Really? "Males will never understand rape." That's a pretty broad brush you're waving around. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #41

Thanks for the points!!! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #45

Do you discount men being raped? uppityperson Jul 2014 #46

Oops! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #48

So you discount men who are raped? tymorial Jul 2014 #113

this was the obvious. a lot of our boys. some of our men. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #51

Not all men, or perhaps even most BainsBane Jul 2014 #110

Wow. Someone needs to tell these guys they're wasting their time... hughee99 Jul 2014 #42

i left it to men to challenge. thrilled to see two. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #43

Gang rape is now a sporting event to prove who is the boldest or most virile. freshwest Jul 2014 #105

it is a popular porn our boys are being raised on. real or simulated doesnt matter. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #107

But it *does* matter to victims... The line is being crossed... Fantasies become reality. freshwest Jul 2014 #120

it stimulates a want, it validates a behavior. and some is real rape our boys seabeyond Jul 2014 #123

You NAILED it......listen people Stargazer99 Jul 2014 #181

Men are taught to be rapists, they are not born with such behavior. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #149

The only way men will ever understand rape Aerows Jul 2014 #156

our girls may understand it is rape, but it has not preogressed yet to the men, courts, judges and seabeyond Jul 2014 #26

Men will never understand it YarnAddict Jul 2014 #31

It is now more acceptable to TALK about it. It used to be the victims were shamed into silence. nt raccoon Jul 2014 #180

You're right! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #182

today it is entertainment, in our tv shows, our movies, our songs and we feed it to our boys seabeyond Jul 2014 #12

These crimes are actually decreasing if you go by the statistics davidn3600 Jul 2014 #29

there are all kinds of reasons for the bogus numbers and the audacity of a man to walk into this seabeyond Jul 2014 #30

Spot-on and True. .. Stargleamer Jul 2014 #39

the numbers are bogus. that simple. a lie. and it is proven time and again. seabeyond Jul 2014 #40

Rape, as reported by victimization surveys, is down. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #44

another comes in to champion less rape, rah, in a thread 16 yr old drugged, raped, video distributed seabeyond Jul 2014 #47

Thanks for bringing this article here seabeyond... prairierose Jul 2014 #62

i have to start bookmarking this shit cause regularly the few guys have to come into rape threads to seabeyond Jul 2014 #66

You and me both...I always.. prairierose Jul 2014 #78

it's a constant refrain BainsBane Jul 2014 #79

And someone is whining about it. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #97

Ugh. MerryBlooms Jul 2014 #122

actually, seeing a reply to that post, i was fearful that is exactly what i was going to address. seabeyond Jul 2014 #124

So what if "rape is down"? That doesn't debunk that rape culture exists, alp227 Jul 2014 #50

What a bunch of hogwash. Even a cursory reading indicates the decline is figured by counting as retread Jul 2014 #56

You obviously didn't read what was posted. This is a victimization survey. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #84

you obviously did not read my post that state unequivocally that the NVCS numbers are bogus. seabeyond Jul 2014 #99

Is that supposed to make a difference to Jada BainsBane Jul 2014 #57

i feel differently. you feel differently. most reasonable humans feel differently than the dismissal seabeyond Jul 2014 #58

Her life isn't important BainsBane Jul 2014 #60

i wont accept the premise of a lie. we do not know all the fuckin manipulation over the years with seabeyond Jul 2014 #61

not really sure what your point is ...? etherealtruth Jul 2014 #63

why the fuck do you think this is relevant to this thread? Kali Jul 2014 #117

exactly. and they got what they wanted. look at the percentage dealing with their fictional numbers seabeyond Jul 2014 #128

Anything but talking about the girl herself BainsBane Jul 2014 #132

too often she does not even make it to importance of a number on a chart. that is the issue with seabeyond Jul 2014 #134

Very true. And that is why they use them so much BainsBane Jul 2014 #136

Precisely BainsBane Jul 2014 #131

both posts by davidn and grumpy were kept in narrow 3-4 decisions. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #65

If that doesn't demonstrate the problem on this site, nothing will. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #69

Yeah, the fact that posts with nothing but FACTS get alerted on suggests a real problem. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #94

Post something on under reporting like this ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #98

he ignores posts so he can post the bogus numbers again, in the future, for the next horrendous seabeyond Jul 2014 #100

Huh. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #103

it is a tell. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #104

You aren't the only one that has noticed that tactic. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #145

good to know laundry queen. seabeyond Jul 2014 #146

Enjoy your book laundry_queen Jul 2014 #147

Spare me. "facts"....just like Fox's "facts" have no place on DU. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #125

so we educate, and sometimes, get the hide. i get it. sometimes, it will be worth it. seabeyond Jul 2014 #70

It's a sad reflection on this board that posts that attempt to use actual facts get alerted on. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #83

Some people feel they need to prove a crisis exists in order to justify their outrage davidn3600 Jul 2014 #85

and who here has said that a crisis exists? alp227 Jul 2014 #88

The first thing you could do BainsBane Jul 2014 #101

well said. but then, there would have to be compassion for rape victims, and the tell is... seabeyond Jul 2014 #106

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #138

Thanks for making clear that you really aren't interested BainsBane Jul 2014 #139

Im not going to sit here and debate this with you AGAIN because it goes nowhere davidn3600 Jul 2014 #148

Jury results on this post. Codeine Jul 2014 #150

This is a thread about one young girl BainsBane Jul 2014 #155

why in the world would women ignore a man dismissing this girl. drugged, raped, rape porn distribute seabeyond Jul 2014 #141

Note, he says that while in MY thread BainsBane Jul 2014 #143

both you and comrade ignore facts... you know, FACTS telling you these numbers are bogus, so you seabeyond Jul 2014 #102

These facts are from the Department of Justice! davidn3600 Jul 2014 #129

did you read ONE of the many posts given to YOU showing you how the number is bogus, how FBI states seabeyond Jul 2014 #137

How about reading some of the studies critiquing those numbers? BainsBane Jul 2014 #144

Something else you could do BainsBane Jul 2014 #114

wasnt there also a claim. ONE false claim and no man should be convicted. or better 100 rapist free seabeyond Jul 2014 #116

Probably. I don't recall it specifically. BainsBane Jul 2014 #121

I found the quote mentioned several times (once apparently in defense of Zimmerman!) redqueen Jul 2014 #159

yes. we do not hear, 99 murders should go free, before one is prosecuted. or any crime. rape. now, seabeyond Jul 2014 #161

It really says something that that quote gets trotted out redqueen Jul 2014 #171

No one is saying "rape is in the increase" here. alp227 Jul 2014 #86

It was in response to a reply davidn3600 Jul 2014 #89

Post #1 isn't the same as saying rape is "increasing". Worthless debate of semantics here. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #90

False and you know it. BainsBane Jul 2014 #96

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #92

Either way, the rate is still appallingly high, 60% reduction or no. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #91

1 in 4-6 are raped today. 60% reduction? claiming 1 in 1.75, 2-3 were raped a couple decades ago? seabeyond Jul 2014 #109

Actually it doesn't. I doubt any decline in real numbers is as dramatic as some claim. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #111

i do not know if they are up or down. at least i am honest enough to state, i do not know. seabeyond Jul 2014 #115

I agree that bringing it into this thread - which is about one young girl's horrific ordeal - nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #119

the fact is, it is that bad, when dealing with a male being raped. feminists are the first to stand seabeyond Jul 2014 #130

And you shouldn't. Basic human decency demands such a response. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #140

sigh..... seabeyond Jul 2014 #142

Precisely. And most people see exactly what the purpose is BainsBane Jul 2014 #158

This is about a young girl's life BainsBane Jul 2014 #108

I look at the statistics as OUR activism making a difference. anti partisan Jul 2014 #174

Unfortunately, it's difficult to know that BainsBane Jul 2014 #175

Unbelievable. liberalmuse Jul 2014 #157

Why would you even bring this up Texasgal Jul 2014 #160

I find the designations in that chart odd, I guess to leave out statutory rape? uppityperson Jul 2014 #33

Rape is without a doubt the most underreported of all violent crimes. 11 Bravo Jul 2014 #34

So does the US Department of justice etherealtruth Jul 2014 #67

i read straight from FBI stating, ... the numbers are bogus. there is no way to get these numbers. seabeyond Jul 2014 #72

Of course etherealtruth Jul 2014 #74

we had a poster state rape has dropped 87% in two decades. just think about that. 1 in 4-6 raped. seabeyond Jul 2014 #76

Dismiss, minimize, trivialize, infantalize and demonize etherealtruth Jul 2014 #77

Stats can and are cooked by police departments justiceischeap Jul 2014 #35

So? Doesn't dismiss the circumstances around Jada's rape alp227 Jul 2014 #49

Tell it to Jada BainsBane Jul 2014 #54

Precisely. Those graphs may be appropriate for another thread, but not this one. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #93

Hmmm, there is a reduction in the reporting .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #64

"Forcible rape" is that like rape rape? laundry_queen Jul 2014 #68

it is like, doesnt count if drinking is involved. or a man, or other than vaginal, or under a seabeyond Jul 2014 #73

Yeah, I know laundry_queen Jul 2014 #75

It's "legitimate" rape BainsBane Jul 2014 #82

On the one hand, it is very possible that sexual assault has decreased along with violent crime nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #87

So... what's the distinction there, regarding "forcible rape?" Scootaloo Jul 2014 #112

drinking involved, not vaginal, men, children under 12.... seabeyond Jul 2014 #118

One's skin crawls n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #162

To be clear, those are rapes that did not count. Recently, FBI changed their definition of rape to seabeyond Jul 2014 #163

Yes, one of our stats fans BainsBane Jul 2014 #164

Is this an aasumption all the children raped are merely Lolita's seducing the rapist? seabeyond Jul 2014 #167

The point was they aren't "forced" physically BainsBane Jul 2014 #168

This is what I am getting at. Many many children are forced in horrible ways. This man must only see seabeyond Jul 2014 #169

What is the point of your posting this? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #135

Maybe you should show Jada this chart. liberalmuse Jul 2014 #153

How about self-deleting this. Ms. Toad Jul 2014 #170

So this didn't really happen? yardwork Jul 2014 #173

When it became profitable Aerows Jul 2014 #152

Disgisting. myrna minx Jul 2014 #2

ffs mercuryblues Jul 2014 #7

right. maybe if they call it what it is, not what it isnt, that could be an easy first step. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #13

Yea I hate that soft coating phrase "having sex". It's crime ...a felony. L0oniX Jul 2014 #16

yup. that is exactly it. "soft coating" to make more digestible, and seabeyond Jul 2014 #18

It's bad that the alleged perps are able to post this stuff online where it gets back to the victims mythology Jul 2014 #8

These boys are nothing more then sexual avebury Jul 2014 #9

+1000. Something to work towards. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #11

They need to be proseucted and sent to jail first BainsBane Jul 2014 #53

"having sex" No it's not. It's rape! L0oniX Jul 2014 #14

I know. That makes me angry every time. historylovr Jul 2014 #17

Add: 1st degree felony and crime. L0oniX Jul 2014 #19

Yes. historylovr Jul 2014 #25

20 years to life. Good start. mbperrin Jul 2014 #22

it is a part of our hip culture of entertainment. i am surprised, anyone would be surprised. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #27

Well, I'm old. 62. mbperrin Jul 2014 #166

I know. It's an outrage. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #38

Not to draw false equivalencies or justify it in ANY way...but look Moostache Jul 2014 #15

rape fits right in to all those macho posturings, and i bet you did not do that on purpose. now, seabeyond Jul 2014 #20

Not really a new problem Generic Other Jul 2014 #71

I'm not accepting that. We and our society are not their enablers. L0oniX Jul 2014 #23

+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #55

Can't this evidence be used against them? delta17 Jul 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jul 2014 #28

Wow. "rape...was shared and mocked" flvegan Jul 2014 #37

Unfortunately, this happens with some frequency BainsBane Jul 2014 #52

I find this repellent behavior so vile I am stunned. retread Jul 2014 #59

WTF is wrong with a certain proportion of the population? And it's not just younger folks nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #95

Not 'the American way.' It's world history. Rape to subjugate and destroy is a tool of war. And... freshwest Jul 2014 #187

Great post. And that book sounds like a really interesting, even important, read. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #188

With all our forensic tools, with our ability to track people's activity across the internet.... Oakenshield Jul 2014 #126

lack of will BainsBane Jul 2014 #127

we do not care. we hear to often from judges, from cops. boys will be boys. girls are not important. seabeyond Jul 2014 #133

This whole situation is horrifying Aerows Jul 2014 #151

Jada has the face of a baby BainsBane Jul 2014 #154

Almost makes one completely and permanently lose their faith in humanity stevenleser Jul 2014 #165

This should carry very harsh penalties get the red out Jul 2014 #177

like using the mail is BainsBane Jul 2014 #178

Exactly! get the red out Jul 2014 #179