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In reply to the discussion: Horrifying New Details On the 'Viral' Rape of 16-Year-Old Jada [View all]BainsBane
(53,127 posts)144. How about reading some of the studies critiquing those numbers?
You have had links here challenging them. If you are going to insist the whole story is told through numbers, you should at least be willing to engage with critiques of those numbers.
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But one of those victims you don't want to disgrace is telling you she objects to that.
Squinch
Jul 2014
#176
Really? "Males will never understand rape." That's a pretty broad brush you're waving around.
Comrade Grumpy
Jul 2014
#41
Gang rape is now a sporting event to prove who is the boldest or most virile.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#105
it is a popular porn our boys are being raised on. real or simulated doesnt matter. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#107
But it *does* matter to victims... The line is being crossed... Fantasies become reality.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#120
it stimulates a want, it validates a behavior. and some is real rape our boys
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#123
our girls may understand it is rape, but it has not preogressed yet to the men, courts, judges and
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#26
It is now more acceptable to TALK about it. It used to be the victims were shamed into silence. nt
raccoon
Jul 2014
#180
today it is entertainment, in our tv shows, our movies, our songs and we feed it to our boys
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#12
there are all kinds of reasons for the bogus numbers and the audacity of a man to walk into this
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#30
another comes in to champion less rape, rah, in a thread 16 yr old drugged, raped, video distributed
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#47
i have to start bookmarking this shit cause regularly the few guys have to come into rape threads to
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#66
actually, seeing a reply to that post, i was fearful that is exactly what i was going to address.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#124
What a bunch of hogwash. Even a cursory reading indicates the decline is figured by counting as
retread
Jul 2014
#56
You obviously didn't read what was posted. This is a victimization survey.
Comrade Grumpy
Jul 2014
#84
you obviously did not read my post that state unequivocally that the NVCS numbers are bogus.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#99
i feel differently. you feel differently. most reasonable humans feel differently than the dismissal
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#58
i wont accept the premise of a lie. we do not know all the fuckin manipulation over the years with
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#61
exactly. and they got what they wanted. look at the percentage dealing with their fictional numbers
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#128
too often she does not even make it to importance of a number on a chart. that is the issue with
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#134
Yeah, the fact that posts with nothing but FACTS get alerted on suggests a real problem.
Comrade Grumpy
Jul 2014
#94
he ignores posts so he can post the bogus numbers again, in the future, for the next horrendous
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#100
so we educate, and sometimes, get the hide. i get it. sometimes, it will be worth it.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#70
It's a sad reflection on this board that posts that attempt to use actual facts get alerted on.
Comrade Grumpy
Jul 2014
#83
Some people feel they need to prove a crisis exists in order to justify their outrage
davidn3600
Jul 2014
#85
well said. but then, there would have to be compassion for rape victims, and the tell is...
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#106
Im not going to sit here and debate this with you AGAIN because it goes nowhere
davidn3600
Jul 2014
#148
why in the world would women ignore a man dismissing this girl. drugged, raped, rape porn distribute
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#141
both you and comrade ignore facts... you know, FACTS telling you these numbers are bogus, so you
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#102
did you read ONE of the many posts given to YOU showing you how the number is bogus, how FBI states
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#137
wasnt there also a claim. ONE false claim and no man should be convicted. or better 100 rapist free
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#116
I found the quote mentioned several times (once apparently in defense of Zimmerman!)
redqueen
Jul 2014
#159
yes. we do not hear, 99 murders should go free, before one is prosecuted. or any crime. rape. now,
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#161
Post #1 isn't the same as saying rape is "increasing". Worthless debate of semantics here. nt
alp227
Jul 2014
#90
1 in 4-6 are raped today. 60% reduction? claiming 1 in 1.75, 2-3 were raped a couple decades ago?
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#109
Actually it doesn't. I doubt any decline in real numbers is as dramatic as some claim.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#111
i do not know if they are up or down. at least i am honest enough to state, i do not know.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#115
I agree that bringing it into this thread - which is about one young girl's horrific ordeal -
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#119
the fact is, it is that bad, when dealing with a male being raped. feminists are the first to stand
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#130
I find the designations in that chart odd, I guess to leave out statutory rape?
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#33
i read straight from FBI stating, ... the numbers are bogus. there is no way to get these numbers.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#72
we had a poster state rape has dropped 87% in two decades. just think about that. 1 in 4-6 raped.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#76
Precisely. Those graphs may be appropriate for another thread, but not this one. n/t
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#93
it is like, doesnt count if drinking is involved. or a man, or other than vaginal, or under a
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#73
On the one hand, it is very possible that sexual assault has decreased along with violent crime
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#87
To be clear, those are rapes that did not count. Recently, FBI changed their definition of rape to
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#163
Is this an aasumption all the children raped are merely Lolita's seducing the rapist?
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#167
This is what I am getting at. Many many children are forced in horrible ways. This man must only see
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#169
right. maybe if they call it what it is, not what it isnt, that could be an easy first step. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#13
It's bad that the alleged perps are able to post this stuff online where it gets back to the victims
mythology
Jul 2014
#8
it is a part of our hip culture of entertainment. i am surprised, anyone would be surprised. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#27
rape fits right in to all those macho posturings, and i bet you did not do that on purpose. now,
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#20
WTF is wrong with a certain proportion of the population? And it's not just younger folks
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#95
Not 'the American way.' It's world history. Rape to subjugate and destroy is a tool of war. And...
freshwest
Jul 2014
#187
Great post. And that book sounds like a really interesting, even important, read.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#188
With all our forensic tools, with our ability to track people's activity across the internet....
Oakenshield
Jul 2014
#126