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jillan

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63. DO NOT equate what is happening in Israel with the Jewish people - that is all I ask.

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:42 PM

Jul 2014

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In doing so is no different than saying Dick Cheney equals the American People.

Not all Israeli's want this. The Israeli's and the Palestinians get along alot better than this.
It's their fucking right wing extremists governments that are causing all this. Just like WE were ashamed of the hell we unleashed in Iraq. And Vietnam.

And as far as American Jews, well the MAJORITY of us are Democrats - die-hard liberals who want peace in the ME and all over the world.

Go ahead and bitch all you want about Netanyahu and how he is a bastard that should BURN in HELL.
But please do NOT think for one second that this is what the Jewish people want.

Yes there are right wing nuts Extremists in Israel, just as there are here. But you know damn well that Cheney and Kristol and the whole PNAC gang does not represent you. It is no different in Israel.

This is where your argument fails. Blame the government & the assholes in charge but LEAVE YOUR ANTI-SEMITISM ELSEWHERE.

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The Rude Pundit: What's Happening in Gaza: A Savage and Obviously Anti-Semitic Blog Post [View all] meegbear Jul 2014 OP

"Disproportionate" Response hlthe2b Jul 2014 #1

+1 redqueen Jul 2014 #4

ooops responded to wrong post m-lekktor Jul 2014 #9

just out of curiousity...what is a proportionate response? backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #43

In that case... Shipwack Jul 2014 #48

why would they do that? backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #51

I'm glad somebody is amused by the killing of children. Chemisse Jul 2014 #119

just as I am glad you get so much amusement backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #130

Could you please cite your source for this? Chemisse Jul 2014 #147

Some can defend any attrocity... and I find engaging with them to be futile hlthe2b Jul 2014 #56

No, it's not a war. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #75

Good on you! IrishAyes Jul 2014 #78

Well said malaise Jul 2014 #84

Thank you! sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #104

you atr correct backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #115

War crimes BlueinOhio Jul 2014 #137

And just because somebody said so (sounds like Patton), IrishAyes Jul 2014 #77

International law sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #135

and yet Israel has gained backwoodsbob Jul 2014 #142

They're fighting a Ground Hog Day war. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #146

this is a war where one side has most of the weapons, does most of the killing, and ALL yurbud Jul 2014 #141

So you agree that the Palestinians are doing the right thing mbperrin Jul 2014 #144

Are you stoned? jollyreaper2112 Jul 2014 #152

This is not a war! tech3149 Jul 2014 #156

But I heard Sen RoJo (our dumb senator) say AllyCat Jul 2014 #96

nt Separation Jul 2014 #2

Oh, are we posting that RW loon's comics now? Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #3

Well, no. Separation Jul 2014 #7

No, you posted a RW toon Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #8

Don't like it then by all means alert it. Separation Jul 2014 #10

Because Gaza has among the highest population density, it is difficult to place defense/aggressive alfredo Jul 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #85

Don't confuse the majority with the radical element. alfredo Jul 2014 #92

Did you see that little Palestinian girl in the hospital on the news last night? Chemisse Jul 2014 #120

No, Israel brutalizes, steals from, and murders Palestinians with near impunity cpwm17 Jul 2014 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #82

It was pretty mindless, which is par for the course for RW cartoons n/t Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #87

I like stuff like Tom Tomorrow and other witty LW cartoons... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #88

Disgusting and clueless post. NealK Jul 2014 #95

what do you call it when settlers build in occupied territories? Alameda Jul 2014 #138

Don't forget that it was Israel that first went on a collective punishment campaign cpwm17 Jul 2014 #5

Using many weapons provided by us ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #107

Cold, But Fair Enough, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #6

Tell me... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2014 #11

+1 Separation Jul 2014 #13

As long as any group lusts after power, wealth or resources it will continue. redqueen Jul 2014 #19

see that's the thing I don't understand LittleGirl Jul 2014 #25

Amen.... daleanime Jul 2014 #103

Can someone explain... biglib63 Jul 2014 #14

Before the rockets started, Israel imprison almost two million Palestinians cpwm17 Jul 2014 #16

You're deliberately putting that backwards. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #26

You didn't read his message. cprise Jul 2014 #30

Yes I did - I just didn't think it was honest. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #36

Oh, its honest cprise Jul 2014 #57

You certainly Cheviteau Jul 2014 #76

I wonder who you think you're impressing with that garbage. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #93

I was impressed. Chemisse Jul 2014 #121

The blockade traps over a million people inside Gaza. bravenak Jul 2014 #33

Hamas DOES have bomb shelters - buried under hospitals, schools and mosques. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #39

So bomb the civilians anyway? bravenak Jul 2014 #42

If that were true the casualties would be in the thousands. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #46

If, sniff. bravenak Jul 2014 #47

Could we see the link for Gaza having bomb shelters? Chemisse Jul 2014 #122

Hamas has tunnels and bunkers hack89 Jul 2014 #148

Nonsense! Octoberfurst Jul 2014 #102

They think they can generate sympathy by getting people killed. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #18

Some people fall on beaches when shells hit little boys. bravenak Jul 2014 #32

If that is what Hamas wants, why would Israel work with them to achieve it? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #106

Certainly they will be getting no sympathy from you! Chemisse Jul 2014 #123

When will the Israeli government put those responsible for stealing Palestinian land... Spazito Jul 2014 #23

Reminds me of a great toon called 'Frank(?) and Earnest' years ago. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #80

Exactly, both sides need to go to the table as equals... Spazito Jul 2014 #81

For the same reason that kids kick the back of the driver's seat when their parents-- eridani Jul 2014 #55

That's it. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #62

'The rage of the powerless' Chemisse Jul 2014 #124

Still no shortage of rockets though. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #15

You're ignoring the "disproportionate" part. Maedhros Jul 2014 #20

Not all all - you're ignoring the thousands of rockets fired at Israel. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #24

Has Hamas been able to inflict anywhere near the casualties on Israel than Israel has on Palestine? Maedhros Jul 2014 #27

So you condemn Israel for successfully defending themselves from terrorist aggression. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #28

No. bravenak Jul 2014 #31

It showed what happens when Hamas chooses to fire rockets from densely populated areas. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #35

Are you saying it's okay to shoot children playing on the beach? bravenak Jul 2014 #37

Dead children Aerows Jul 2014 #38

That i would like to know. bravenak Jul 2014 #41

no fucking answer. none. frylock Jul 2014 #59

I have found the human shields argument disgusting. bravenak Jul 2014 #60

He doesn't need to justify it. It was an accident. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #64

What "war" are you speaking of? n/t countryjake Jul 2014 #67

These accidents happen a hell of a lot... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #86

And these are just the 'accidents' that we see. Chemisse Jul 2014 #126

In a chaotic war zone, it does not take great callousness or negligence to create tragedy. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #136

You're dealing with an apologist for ethnic cleansing and war crimes. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #140

What part of Gaza is not densely populated? spinbaby Jul 2014 #44

Here is a map of Gaza: WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author spinbaby Jul 2014 #44

Or, escalating gang-level violence to a military assault with mass casualties. n/t cprise Jul 2014 #34

Pretty much The Green Manalishi Jul 2014 #49

...which is why there is such an effort to deny Palestine official statehood. Maedhros Jul 2014 #50

I'll bet that your 78 record collection only had one side. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #69

As someone above put it so aptly, Chemisse Jul 2014 #125

How many innocent civilians has Hamas killed? How many has IDF killed? DanTex Jul 2014 #128

Dehumanization of Palestinians permits this while the western world looks away, the population Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #17

Can we expect American sanctions against Israel for its aggression against Gaza? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #21

To anyone else, that would be our response. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #72

Thank you oldandhappy Jul 2014 #22

The ultimate example I saw was when some New York tourists made a wrong turn.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #29

omg. Chemisse Jul 2014 #127

Thank you Rudie malaise Jul 2014 #40

We are responsible yellowwoodII Jul 2014 #52

K&R abelenkpe Jul 2014 #53

Egypt called for a cease-fire and the Palestinians broke it. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #54

Good analogy. The Palestinians are as powerless as children eridani Jul 2014 #58

They could negotiate with Israel. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #100

The "rockets" are tin can high school science projects eridani Jul 2014 #105

So why are the Palestinians sending the rockets. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #110

They do it because their total miltary impotence enreges them n/t eridani Jul 2014 #111

They should get over their anger and focus on making their lives better. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #112

It is specific Israeli policy to prevent them from having better lives eridani Jul 2014 #113

That is projection. The Palestinians' stated goal is to get rid of Israel. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #114

Well, my stated goal is dating Robert Redford. eridani Jul 2014 #145

I agreed with you up to here, but as you say the Palestinians are disorganized... Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #158

Do you have a link showing that Israel adopted that aas a policy. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #155

Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or, democratic Israel at work eridani Jul 2014 #161

That is an opinion piece. It is not a declaraton of policy by the Israeli government. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #162

A policy need not be declared to be implemented eridani Jul 2014 #163

+1 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #150

+, in a sad and frustrating thread. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #74

Why did you find that post informative? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #91

The Palestinians sent rockets into Israel. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #97

So according to you that's where it all started? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #116

Israel is allowed -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #157

If the Palestinians strengthened their organization flamingdem Jul 2014 #98

From what happened in the years prior to Hamas, it wouldn't matter who leads the Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #117

it just described the dynamic very well. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #134

DO NOT equate what is happening in Israel with the Jewish people - that is all I ask. jillan Jul 2014 #63

Thank you. I think that is important for everyone to know. nt GoneFishin Jul 2014 #79

Agreed malaise Jul 2014 #89

did you mean the palestinians? barbtries Jul 2014 #101

I most wholeheartedly agree with your post. BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #108

True. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #133

What anti-semitism? TiberiusB Jul 2014 #118

Yes Netanyahu was elected. So was Bush and Cheney for 2 terms. Re-elected AFTER the world knew they jillan Jul 2014 #164

PLUS ONE! Thank you, jillan. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #132

+100 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #151

Israel does not represent Judaism. They hide behind Judaism to excuse what they do. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #66

Thank you for the most sensible post on this thread. Bohunk68 Jul 2014 #131

Thank you! jillan Jul 2014 #165

ho-hum, just "cutting the grass"... alterfurz Jul 2014 #68

and YEARS of blockades that stop food and medical shipments. obxhead Jul 2014 #70

Actually the IAF has zero F-18's EX500rider Jul 2014 #90

wonder if it's anti semitic if one is from Israel PatrynXX Jul 2014 #71

Don't forget locks Jul 2014 #73

For Me to be Anti-Semitic, imthevicar Jul 2014 #94

bzzzt. fail. anti-semitic means bigoted against Jews. Period. duh. cali Jul 2014 #109

K&R NealK Jul 2014 #99

Turn the whole thing into a UN protectorate StoneCarver Jul 2014 #129

I guess that the recs show that this post resonates with DU. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #139

And despite what the Israelis say, it is about gas! emsimon33 Jul 2014 #143

are you saying the israelis deserve worse than the holocaust ? JI7 Jul 2014 #149

Germans slaughtered Jews,... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #153

There is an element of truth to every response to this OP. MADem Jul 2014 #154

Those with more power and money have the responsibility to be the bigger people. Some past wrongs Pisces Jul 2014 #159

K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #160