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yurbud

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Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:52 PM Jul 2014

Should the downing of this airliner have any long term effect on our relationship with Russia? [View all]

I can't see any advantage for Russia or the Ukrainian rebels (or for Ukraine for that matter) in intentionally downing that airliner.

Russia in particular knows that the NATO and the US are already in high dudgeon and waiting for an excuse to isolate them further, and I refuse to believe that Putin is a retarded action movie villain, who is on a suicide mission to earn an invasion or assassination by the West as the right convinced us Saddam Hussein was.

Like the case for the Iraq War, I fear that the right questions aren't being asked and the deck is being stacked toward escalation.

Should this incident be a cause for escalating hostility toward Russia as the right wingers and neocons seem to want?

This poll is NOT necessarily a criticism of Obama's handling of this since he has shown some restraint and discretion so far.


14 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
YES. This underlines that Russia is a dangerous rogue nation.
10 (71%)
SORT OF. We should ratchet up hostility until the whole thing is sorted out.
0 (0%)
NO. We have made the same mistake with an Iranian airliner and this incident doesn't change the underlying geopolitics
3 (21%)
OTHER
1 (7%)
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It's just one bullet point in a long list of why Russia is not to be trusted. Initech Jul 2014 #1
Russia has a very narrow window in which geek tragedy Jul 2014 #2
Putin has grown obsessed with reconstituting the control of the Soviet Union davidn3600 Jul 2014 #24
"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." - Winston Churchill Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #3
Hear Hear Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #29
I'm curious, who is charging that Putin and his loons downed it intentionally knowing TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #4
like the shit we gave the Afghans in the 80s? yurbud Jul 2014 #5
Well, Reagan-era bad ideas notwithstanding, why did Putin give his toddlers a loaded gun TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #6
Does our government give a rat's ass about the maturity of right wing regimes we arm? yurbud Jul 2014 #13
Is that the topic? Because I thought the topic was the airliner that was shot down. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #19
We don't even have to go back that far. Look at Isis. n/t betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #21
Like we gave Saddam Hussein, like we gave Al Queda in Afghanistan, like we gave the Syrian 'rebels' sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #51
The shills here are like a girlfriend I had once. .. yurbud Jul 2014 #59
It depends on fujiyama Jul 2014 #7
Putin could pull the same sleight of hand we did in Syria... yurbud Jul 2014 #14
You're aware that Putin enables Assad to kill Syrian civilians by the city block, right? TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #22
for the memories of the victims, how can we ever forget? samsingh Jul 2014 #8
The obvious answer is yes. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #9
our government has done every single one of those things and led to far greater loss of life yurbud Jul 2014 #12
So really, you started this thread to say the USA is bad ergo Russia is not bad? KittyWampus Jul 2014 #15
Not that Russia is not bad, but to look at what our government says yurbud Jul 2014 #16
I think you have zero grasp of what's going on. Seriously. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #20
Whataboutism. joshcryer Jul 2014 #27
I agree as long as it isn't used as an excuse for war yurbud Jul 2014 #36
No one is making an excuse for war. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40
I think we should be the peacemaking entity treestar Jul 2014 #10
Good idea. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #31
At this point we should demand that Putin stop backing and arming the separatists, TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #34
wouldn't it be nice if we did that too? yurbud Jul 2014 #35
Russia wants to corner the market on enabling rogue regimes, they hate it when we muscle in-- TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #38
Yes, but NOT because they are a rogue nation. HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #11
The current Russian government but not the Russian people aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #17
I hope so, too. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #32
Putin cannot be trusted sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #18
Those of you who present the choices as war or just forgetting it happened are working an agenda Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #23
Shooting down Iran airline didn't change the equation? joshcryer Jul 2014 #25
That was proof of the US as Great Satan. This? Just a sad little accident. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #26
is that sarcasm? Like this incident, I don't see the value to our government in doing that yurbud Jul 2014 #41
I'm intrigued by the tactic of searching for winners and losers, who gains or TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #43
it depends on how severe they are. I'm all for restitution and things along that line yurbud Jul 2014 #44
the Iranians disliked us because we disliked them, but they didn't have the means to retaliate. yurbud Jul 2014 #30
Same with Ukraine. joshcryer Jul 2014 #39
for disliking us or having their plane shot down? yurbud Jul 2014 #45
Russia engages in exactly the same sort of shit we engage in. RedCappedBandit Jul 2014 #28
I think we need to wait... TeeYiYi Jul 2014 #33
I hope it does settle down yurbud Jul 2014 #37
I agree. I want to find out exactly what happened first, although I know, LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #50
I agree with waiting until things settle down davidpdx Jul 2014 #54
Diplomacy is important and we need to keep on talking with them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42
frankly Russia should have been isolated for her treatment of gays dsc Jul 2014 #46
How do they treat gays in Saudi? yurbud Jul 2014 #47
we should isolate them too dsc Jul 2014 #48
funny how our government never gets around to isolating useful human rights abusers yurbud Jul 2014 #58
It depends on how Russia handles it, i.e., Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #49
It's all about the flow of information at this point. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #52
Good points davidpdx Jul 2014 #55
none of those things are grounds for war yurbud Jul 2014 #60
Russia doesn't have to be Putin. nt EmilyAnne Jul 2014 #53
that reflects one creepy theory I stumbled across yurbud Jul 2014 #57
Other. Putin will make some concessions that flamingdem Jul 2014 #56
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