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LuvNewcastle

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50. I agree. I want to find out exactly what happened first, although I know,

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 10:38 PM

Jul 2014

we aren't likely to get the whole truth. The main thing I want to know is, was it an accident? If it was, I see no reason to do that much about it. Accidents do happen, and you can't have a lot of sanctions or a war because of an accident. If it could be proven that the plane was shot down with malice aforethought, which isn't likely, then that would be a very big problem. But nothing should be done until we understand what happened and I would need to figure out how much of the story I hear is believable. I don't have anything to say about it, really, until I get some facts straight about it.

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Should the downing of this airliner have any long term effect on our relationship with Russia? [View all] yurbud Jul 2014 OP

It's just one bullet point in a long list of why Russia is not to be trusted. Initech Jul 2014 #1

Russia has a very narrow window in which geek tragedy Jul 2014 #2

Putin has grown obsessed with reconstituting the control of the Soviet Union davidn3600 Jul 2014 #24

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." - Winston Churchill Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #3

Hear Hear Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #29

I'm curious, who is charging that Putin and his loons downed it intentionally knowing TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #4

like the shit we gave the Afghans in the 80s? yurbud Jul 2014 #5

Well, Reagan-era bad ideas notwithstanding, why did Putin give his toddlers a loaded gun TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #6

Does our government give a rat's ass about the maturity of right wing regimes we arm? yurbud Jul 2014 #13

Is that the topic? Because I thought the topic was the airliner that was shot down. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #19

We don't even have to go back that far. Look at Isis. n/t betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #21

Like we gave Saddam Hussein, like we gave Al Queda in Afghanistan, like we gave the Syrian 'rebels' sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #51

The shills here are like a girlfriend I had once. .. yurbud Jul 2014 #59

It depends on fujiyama Jul 2014 #7

Putin could pull the same sleight of hand we did in Syria... yurbud Jul 2014 #14

You're aware that Putin enables Assad to kill Syrian civilians by the city block, right? TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #22

for the memories of the victims, how can we ever forget? samsingh Jul 2014 #8

The obvious answer is yes. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #9

our government has done every single one of those things and led to far greater loss of life yurbud Jul 2014 #12

So really, you started this thread to say the USA is bad ergo Russia is not bad? KittyWampus Jul 2014 #15

Not that Russia is not bad, but to look at what our government says yurbud Jul 2014 #16

I think you have zero grasp of what's going on. Seriously. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #20

Whataboutism. joshcryer Jul 2014 #27

I agree as long as it isn't used as an excuse for war yurbud Jul 2014 #36

No one is making an excuse for war. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40

I think we should be the peacemaking entity treestar Jul 2014 #10

Good idea. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #31

At this point we should demand that Putin stop backing and arming the separatists, TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #34

wouldn't it be nice if we did that too? yurbud Jul 2014 #35

Russia wants to corner the market on enabling rogue regimes, they hate it when we muscle in-- TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #38

Yes, but NOT because they are a rogue nation. HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #11

The current Russian government but not the Russian people aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #17

I hope so, too. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #32

Putin cannot be trusted sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #18

Those of you who present the choices as war or just forgetting it happened are working an agenda Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #23

Shooting down Iran airline didn't change the equation? joshcryer Jul 2014 #25

That was proof of the US as Great Satan. This? Just a sad little accident. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #26

is that sarcasm? Like this incident, I don't see the value to our government in doing that yurbud Jul 2014 #41

I'm intrigued by the tactic of searching for winners and losers, who gains or TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #43

it depends on how severe they are. I'm all for restitution and things along that line yurbud Jul 2014 #44

the Iranians disliked us because we disliked them, but they didn't have the means to retaliate. yurbud Jul 2014 #30

Same with Ukraine. joshcryer Jul 2014 #39

for disliking us or having their plane shot down? yurbud Jul 2014 #45

Russia engages in exactly the same sort of shit we engage in. RedCappedBandit Jul 2014 #28

I think we need to wait... TeeYiYi Jul 2014 #33

I hope it does settle down yurbud Jul 2014 #37

I agree. I want to find out exactly what happened first, although I know, LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #50

I agree with waiting until things settle down davidpdx Jul 2014 #54

Diplomacy is important and we need to keep on talking with them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42

frankly Russia should have been isolated for her treatment of gays dsc Jul 2014 #46

How do they treat gays in Saudi? yurbud Jul 2014 #47

we should isolate them too dsc Jul 2014 #48

funny how our government never gets around to isolating useful human rights abusers yurbud Jul 2014 #58

It depends on how Russia handles it, i.e., Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #49

It's all about the flow of information at this point. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #52

Good points davidpdx Jul 2014 #55

none of those things are grounds for war yurbud Jul 2014 #60

Russia doesn't have to be Putin. nt EmilyAnne Jul 2014 #53

that reflects one creepy theory I stumbled across yurbud Jul 2014 #57

Other. Putin will make some concessions that flamingdem Jul 2014 #56