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BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
31. Just some observations about posts I've seen
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:40 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Many of the African American posters agree there is some correlation between those who most resent posts about feminism and racism and the ones who are most hostile to the president and the Democratic party. Many are people who believe the pinnacle of civilization was the 1960s. and some have openly said society has only deteriorated since then. That they call themselves leftists does not mean they are. They buy into to the American mythology, long for some ideal past when they had "real democracy" and don't concern themselves with the fact the majority of Americans were excluded from that democracy.

You yourself have encountered such people because I've seen you post threads expressing frustration at their exclusionary views.

The fact everyone on this site thinks themselves more leftist that those they disagree with. I myself don't happen to see how a view of the body politic that excludes a majority of the population can be considered left. In that sense the terms are meaningless. I don't see the point of OPs that talk only about left and centrist because they don't even think to identity what they mean by that. People whose primary issue--pro2A--is a solidly Republican position will declare that the true left simply because it's what they care about. The terms are contested, here more than anywhere, so their meaning is not self-evident. Some simply can't hold in their head that different people have different understanding of what left means and can't imagine that they, as opposed to those they disagree with, embody the true left.


In the real world, the electorate that decides elections are swing voters, people who will vote Republican one cycle and Democrat the next. Dixie is solidly Republican, so I seriously doubt Clinton is going to spend much time trying to sway them. She will try to sway the non-aligned electorate in swing states. That makes her dog shit as far as people here are concerned, but that has anything to do with political reality.

She Is Untrustworthy cantbeserious Aug 2014 #1
She is more trustworthy than Mitt Romney- not like that's any achievement friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #3
Oh please wait, we haven't finished "shit" and "shitier" in the midterms. TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #52
She is just after a portion of them known formally as neocons betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #2
Some of us voted for Obama DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #4
Hillary and Mitt Romney are both high-functioning narcissists... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #6
No he hasn't.. She would have no need to be trashing him much now if he Cha Aug 2014 #13
Agreed. Mutiny In Heaven Aug 2014 #26
The fact is most voters are in the middle, and they decide presidential elections BainsBane Aug 2014 #5
I think that is highly unlikely. n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #8
You think what unlikely? BainsBane Aug 2014 #9
I support a vigorous challenge from the left, and hope Liz Warren runs friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #11
The fact is the position on guns you support BainsBane Aug 2014 #32
Gun control isn't a left wing issue. It's an urban issue. Rural liberals oppose more gun control. w4rma Aug 2014 #40
The voters might be in the middle but the parties are on the right Scootaloo Aug 2014 #15
I suspect voters are biased in their perceptions of their political position HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #21
Sort of like how most people in the nation believe they're "Middle class" Scootaloo Aug 2014 #22
Yes. Perception isn't reality, but perception influences opinion surveys HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #23
Your last sentence BainsBane Aug 2014 #33
Hillary has been a fine and dedicated servant of capital, and has profited accordingly friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #38
That is some twisted justification BainsBane Aug 2014 #56
I refuse to give a dedicated corporatist and war hawk a pass because "she's one of us" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #57
oh really? DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #24
Just some observations about posts I've seen BainsBane Aug 2014 #31
The old 'you're all dirty hippies' charge that comes NOW both from the far Right, AND from the Third sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44
+1000 Thanks for that. LuvNewcastle Aug 2014 #46
Well said. Support for gun control is NOT a marker for progressivism... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #47
You are so right. The 'only reason neocons express any support for Second Amendment sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #48
And a big chunk of us on the left were pushed to support John Edwards, instead of Obama or Hillary.. cascadiance Aug 2014 #34
Hillary should retire. obxhead Aug 2014 #7
Si. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10
Agree Completely cantbeserious Aug 2014 #12
They certainly rejected Obama AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #14
Ya....maybe we'll finally get that obliteration of Iran Hillary has been clamoring for Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #16
Is that the best you can do? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #17
is this the best you can do? DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #18
believe this DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #19
I would argue Obama did far better under tougher times karynnj Aug 2014 #25
A reality Hillary's cult will not accept DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #27
GOP Lucy kept pulling away the football AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #35
I suggest you compare what Bill Clinton got vs what Obama got karynnj Aug 2014 #36
Of course they did a better job, they did everything the GOP wanted tularetom Aug 2014 #30
She does not need the RW doxydad Aug 2014 #20
There's not enough moderate women AND men to elect her. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #28
"And what's left of the Left doesn't trust her any further than they can throw her " NCTraveler Aug 2014 #29
As if they'll just ignore her corporate ties and what she said about Iraq? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #37
Who are "they". NCTraveler Aug 2014 #42
"I am a part of the left..". If that's true, work on persuading Liz Warren to run friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #45
I don't trust war-mongers of any party. I don't think anyone should ever totally trust any sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49
Funny thing -- the RW never accepted Bill Clinton either...he still got elected. brooklynite Aug 2014 #39
Different time. Different electorate. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #41
The DLC changed its name after alienating so many Democrats with their 'centrist' policies. They sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #50
Find me a cite that says Third Way supports any of those. brooklynite Aug 2014 #54
Wall Street Uses Third Way to Lead Its Assault on Social Security w4rma Aug 2014 #55
Like Richard Mellon Scaife would never accept Bill? Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2014 #43
Reviving the DLC playbook her and hubby created??? come on.... TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #51
the left needs to tack left. pull the rite along w/ them. pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #53
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