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avebury

(10,952 posts)
10. No
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:49 AM
Aug 2014

Even if the PD makes a case that the shooter was in fear for his life, this argument only works for the 1st shot. There was a break in time between shot #1 and shot #2 and then again between shot #2 and the volley of shots that ultimately killed Brown. Gaps in time between the shootings is more then sufficient to establish premeditation. Furthermore, backed up by all of the eye witness testimony, Brown was of no threat to the office at the time of Shot # 2 and the Volley of shots that killed the boy.

It sounds like, when the cop told the boys to get on the sidewalk and Brown mouthed off to him (as teenagers are likely to do) this cop got pissed off because he felt like he was being disrespected. This seems to be evidenced by the fact that he brought his car around and came so close to the boys that there was not even enough room for the cop to get out of the car without hitting the boys with the door of his car. It is pretty clear that this cop was not going to allow them to get away with disrespecting him.

After the first shot (and I am being generous in potentially allowing the cop that one) there is no credible reason on this planet to continue to try to kill the kid and that is exactly what he was trying to do. One woman has already come forward with a story of her interaction with this cop and it does not show him in a positive light and I would not be surprised if there were not more stories just like that.

The shooter's reaction to Michael Brown was way way way over the top. This is someone who is not psychologically fit to be a cop. He is treating the people he was hired to protect and serve as nothing more then animals (which surprisingly is the impression you get from some of the cops who were going all military on the town before they were pulled out). This is a PD that appears to routinely treat their community as enemy combatants not as American citizens.

We will know when all the facts are in seveneyes Aug 2014 #1
No, ultimately, a jury will determine pintobean Aug 2014 #3
I think the local PD is deliberately screwing up this case CanonRay Aug 2014 #12
What have they done pintobean Aug 2014 #16
Failure to interview witnesses in a timely manner CanonRay Aug 2014 #19
Release of the video was mandated by law. pintobean Aug 2014 #21
There were no FOI requests for the robbery video. SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #33
Bullshit pintobean Aug 2014 #34
Have you ever managed FOI requests? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #35
It can be argued that the first two shots were justified Savannahmann Aug 2014 #2
I don't beleive LEO's statement on the 1st 2 shots - I beleive the eyewitness FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #5
I would have a hard time with that. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #11
Excellent analysis Danascot Aug 2014 #23
That could be. Although, I want to know more about the first few seconds before saying for sure Hoyt Aug 2014 #32
As the Rude Pundit put it, it wouldn't matter if VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #20
How does one justify the second shot if he was fleeing? Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #22
For police there are two arguments that are reasonably accepted. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #27
I get that people accept the use of force to catch fleeing felons, but not deadly force Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #44
I agree but would state it even stronger rock Aug 2014 #31
Even if it was legal for the first round or two Gore1FL Aug 2014 #4
I hope the autopsy can prove the fact that Brown had his hands up when shot. FarPoint Aug 2014 #8
I can already hear the defense madville Aug 2014 #6
Continued shooting - even when the victim had his hands up FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #9
Well...the Ferguson PD and all of it's good old boys are doing their damdest to make it fit. FarPoint Aug 2014 #7
No avebury Aug 2014 #10
I'm sure the word is getting around out there. This was a bad surrender. Loudly Aug 2014 #13
This is the dumbest post I've read on DU pintobean Aug 2014 #17
I'm not surprised heaven05 Aug 2014 #26
SMH. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #37
I rates in my top 10. I am hoping the poster just forgot the sarcasm tag Rex Aug 2014 #40
With sincerity TransitJohn Aug 2014 #18
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you felt the sarcasm tag wasn't necessary Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #24
right heaven05 Aug 2014 #25
"you look like King fucking Kong ready to rumble some more." Utter Bullshit. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #36
You look like King Kong ready to rumble? After being shot twice in the back Rex Aug 2014 #39
Historically, racists have compared African American men to apes, like King Kong... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #41
Are they still here? Rex Aug 2014 #42
If the autopsy supported the officer's version of events, I believe we would have seen it by now. wildeyed Aug 2014 #14
IMO after the second shot there is nothing legal about the whole situation. His hands were up and jwirr Aug 2014 #15
The big issue i see lancer78 Aug 2014 #28
Jerome Ersland was a pharmacist in Oklahoma City CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #29
No, according to the three witnesses who have come forward publicly. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #30
+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #38
Legal or not, it was definitely immoral. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #43
Is this a serious question? philosslayer Aug 2014 #45
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