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242. I always get a chuckle when people say, "I live in the real world " as if they and

Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:07 PM

Aug 2014

only they know what reality is. You have your own reality. There is no universal reality, at least not one that philosophers have figured out.

Yes I thought Obama was to the left of H. Clinton but that didn't make any difference. Reality is that I can not support H. Clinton for anything. And it's not just because she is openly a tool of Wall Street, but because when we needed her the most, she showed us she had/has no integrity. Maybe you don't care about the damage done by the decision to invade Iraq. Damage that I do not think we can recover from. Maybe you can overlook the blood she has on her hands. Maybe you can rationalize her decision. I can't. And I resent the Powers That Be's attempts to manipulate us into voting for their hand-picked candidate.

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Why do I feel like Hillary is being forced on me? [View all] SheilaT Aug 2014 OP

PUMA: Party Unity My Ass... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #1

I'm rather pleased that I got such a quick response. SheilaT Aug 2014 #3

What about those of us leftynyc Aug 2014 #60

There was quite a stretch between when it was certain Hillary had zero chance & when she finally KittyWampus Aug 2014 #110

Before I answer your questions leftynyc Aug 2014 #111

She was responsible for allowing it to continue long after there was any reason for it. Because she KittyWampus Aug 2014 #114

Well, I think that's bullshit leftynyc Aug 2014 #119

You said, "Before I answer your question,..." and then you never did. She answered your rhett o rick Aug 2014 #148

Well said! Thank you! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2014 #185

Well excuse me for having alife leftynyc Aug 2014 #200

You do realize that you just outlined the ENTIRE problem... elzenmahn Aug 2014 #175

I'm all for nominating leftynyc Aug 2014 #204

Domestic policy... elzenmahn Aug 2014 #244

There are more than a few leftynyc Aug 2014 #247

And Cuomo's "shuckin' and jivin' comment. And her own comment about her constituency being merrily Aug 2014 #222

For starters leftynyc Aug 2014 #201

Bless you Dems to Win Aug 2014 #116

No problem leftynyc Aug 2014 #118

Never supported her Thespian2 Aug 2014 #182

Why do you support her? Why do you think she would make a good president? n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #121

I thought she was a terrific senator leftynyc Aug 2014 #130

There is a bit of illogic in what you say. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #150

it was QUITE the opposite for me...Hillary had a track record of supporting Universal Single Payer VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #157

I don't recall her supporting single payer. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #176

what do you call... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #177

There is no provision for a single-payer system in this plan. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #179

Your "logic" is based on an unproven premise. You have no proof that most people voted for Obama pnwmom Aug 2014 #160

His antiwar stance was certainly more in line with liberal thought than Hill's Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #180

According to a brilliant political analyst, Bubba Clinton, Obama's stand the Iraq War vs. Hill's merrily Aug 2014 #209

Hillary was not to Obama's right. Based on their Senate records, they were virtually the same, pnwmom Aug 2014 #213

Not factually, no-- but rhetorically he was. Marr Aug 2014 #215

As Reply 209 stated, it does not matter. The relevant issue is voter perception, period. merrily Aug 2014 #216

But you aren't reflecting voter perception -- you're reflecting DU perception. pnwmom Aug 2014 #220

No. My Reply 209 is not about me, except where I specified. And, DU merrily Aug 2014 #224

As I said, Obama was much freer to make this statement as an outsider to the Senate. pnwmom Aug 2014 #226

Again, only voter perception is relevant. merrily Aug 2014 #248

There was NOTHING in the 2008 leftynyc Aug 2014 #202

How about health care? Marr Aug 2014 #217

That really pissed me off leftynyc Aug 2014 #219

That's a bunch of rhetoric that says that you are tickled to death with the status quo. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #193

Call it rhetoric leftynyc Aug 2014 #203

I always get a chuckle when people say, "I live in the real world " as if they and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #242

Hey - if you want to pretend leftynyc Aug 2014 #246

I think you nailed it there. Marr Aug 2014 #218

I think that Royal Families are swell as long as they don't have any power and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #228

We have no idea if "firebrand liberals" can get elected nationwide. cui bono Aug 2014 #235

Those of us old enough know leftynyc Aug 2014 #236

As if polls at this date mean anything. cui bono Aug 2014 #237

I cited polls leftynyc Aug 2014 #238

Yes she is. That's exactly why the meaningless polls are being put out there by the media cui bono Aug 2014 #240

Sigh leftynyc Aug 2014 #243

double sigh cui bono Aug 2014 #249

I've read every single word leftynyc Aug 2014 #251

You said I was attibuting the polls being out there to Clinton supporters cui bono Aug 2014 #252

Oh, they are still around, bashing Obama daily. No, I won't link them here. They're nauseating. freshwest Aug 2014 #137

PUMAs = democratic birthers paulkienitz Aug 2014 #147

+1 A lot of racism at those sites. merrily Aug 2014 #208

Love it or leave it, she is our only option.. Unless? OLDMADAM Aug 2014 #254

PUMA=party unity my ass. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #2

Only two minutes behind the first correct answer, SheilaT Aug 2014 #4

I'm used to coming in second! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #5

I hope you're not describing your love life. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #152

Agreed - we need to look to the future; a progressive future or we are toast. gtar100 Aug 2014 #6

Doesn't matter if it's conservative extremists (republicans) or conservative light (blue dog Democra Vincardog Aug 2014 #122

+1000 JEB Aug 2014 #188

Approved by Wall Street. n/t moondust Aug 2014 #7

Yes, if HRC gets in she will follow Obama's footsteps on the financial front and not beef up the Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #163

Do you think she should be a contender at all? Wella Aug 2014 #8

Her record is mostly Bill's record and it seemed good at the time, but the afteraste JDPriestly Aug 2014 #28

She was Secretary of State and a Senator Wella Aug 2014 #33

Her service as Secretary of State was in my opinion good, but since then she has come across JDPriestly Aug 2014 #41

Now that's legit: you don't like her policies Wella Aug 2014 #42

I like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders so far. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #47

My hope is that people with principles can keep them in Washington Wella Aug 2014 #50

Studying the miserable economic situations of people who declare bankruptcy was Elizabeth Warren's JDPriestly Aug 2014 #52

Yes, a Warren/Sanders ticket might be seen as a Northeast Liberal ticket. Wella Aug 2014 #53

I love both Sanders and Warren leftynyc Aug 2014 #61

Pity, isn't it. Wella Aug 2014 #195

Northeast Liberal ticket? I will take that over a Texas Conservative ticket any day. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2014 #169

:Grin: I think the party is worried about the rest of the country Wella Aug 2014 #194

"The party" should just run on what is good policy for "the people". cui bono Aug 2014 #234

We focus too much on personalities and not enough on policies. winter is coming Aug 2014 #239

Bush/Cheney come to mind? JDPriestly Sep 2014 #256

Lizzie Warren had the facts eridani Aug 2014 #69

Haha, that's good! closeupready Aug 2014 #90

Wonderful! May I quote you? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #134

Sure! I want to spread the meme n/t eridani Aug 2014 #145

Bernie Sanders didn't claim to see a UFO. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #138

No, Kucinich did. (Weird. punctuation. My bad.) Wella Aug 2014 #196

Kucinich never claimed the UFO was piloted by aliens. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #205

I never he said he made that claim. Please check with what was actually posted Wella Aug 2014 #229

Attack? Enthusiast Aug 2014 #230

Yes. And not based on anything that was posted. Wella Aug 2014 #231

I wasn't directing those words at you, specifically. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #241

Since the reply was to me, I had no choice but to assume that the remarks in it were addressed to me Wella Aug 2014 #250

*stands and applauds* LittleGirl Aug 2014 #151

Thank you, JDP. Bohunk68 Aug 2014 #210

It's also instinctive. But the policies are the reason that I dare express my ideas JDPriestly Aug 2014 #127

Feingold grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #144

"since then she has come across as an even worse war-mongerer"? ieoeja Aug 2014 #104

Wow! It' worse than I thought. I'm moving to some extent on my political JDPriestly Aug 2014 #126

I am a personal witness to how she got the title of Senator Man from Pickens Aug 2014 #103

+++++infinity nt newfie11 Aug 2014 #58

I'll gladly and enthusiastically support and promote Legalequilibrium78 Aug 2014 #66

H. Clinton has shown that she lacks integrity. Sorry, but that's a deal breaker. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #149

WHAT? MADem Aug 2014 #225

She has a right to run, period. Not that I want to see her run, but she has that right. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #168

Tell me, what are your true feelings toward Big Sister? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #9

Anyone who proclaims victory over an empty field is a loser Scootaloo Aug 2014 #10

Oh, boy. You are bringing back a lot of bad memories. SheilaT Aug 2014 #19

Yes, the PUMA's we're WAYYY over the top. Will never forget the venom they spit and their utter contempt for Obama...it was disgusting. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #73

I used to follow a PUMA's writers blog LittleGirl Aug 2014 #154

Because she's being forced on us. Everyone else has been pushed aside TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #11

As far as I am concerned, murielm99 Aug 2014 #16

I used to be more involved in party politics SheilaT Aug 2014 #21

I just cannot support Hillary. I'm in California. As I have said before, if she cannot win here, JDPriestly Aug 2014 #37

Agree on every point. I just can't accept her, I'm too old for any more of this shit. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #96

Swear fealty to Hillary now, or you will be Zorra Aug 2014 #12

Maybe it's you. zappaman Aug 2014 #13

preemptive outrage Skittles Aug 2014 #17

Both Hillary and Bernie Sanders are making test visits to Iowa and New Hampshire in the coming JDPriestly Aug 2014 #39

I regret that I have just one rec to give. obxhead Aug 2014 #14

Exactly right! Veilex Aug 2014 #44

I remember it all.. but I don't feel Hillary is being forced on me.. she and her supporters Cha Aug 2014 #15

Thank you! murielm99 Aug 2014 #18

Thank you, murielm! Good Luck to Gov Quinn! Cha Aug 2014 #20

Why do I feel like the endless parade of posts about '16 here Jeff Rosenzweig Aug 2014 #22

I think people look to Hillary due to nearly 16 years of failed leadership. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23

In 2008 I was involved in another Democratic site No Vested Interest Aug 2014 #24

I'm with you on this. blackspade Aug 2014 #25

You do not have to vote for her if you do not want to. I cannot akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #26

Almost All States Support Write In Ballots cantbeserious Aug 2014 #32

Oh, trust me. I won't vote for her. SheilaT Aug 2014 #35

I still say this pick would flip out the Republicans... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #27

The Republicans hate her, don't you remember, but am glad we get akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #29

People forget she also studied law. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #36

Huh... yeah, I'd vote for her over HRC. Veilex Aug 2014 #45

She's too smart to run davidpdx Aug 2014 #59

Amen JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #207

Why do I feel like Hillary is being forced on me? Oldenuff Aug 2014 #30

The thing is that the Democrats is not for the working class! How can you akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #34

I'm quite sure you meant to say "Republicans" instead of "Democrats" Veilex Aug 2014 #46

We dropped the ball. jeff47 Aug 2014 #86

Agreed - We Need To Move Forward cantbeserious Aug 2014 #31

Disagree Hillary was an "abject failure in 2008. lexington filly Aug 2014 #38

I disagree a bit davidpdx Aug 2014 #62

Ah, Come on. DU come primary time is -always- a Defcon 5 level clusterfuck. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #40

Agreed and besides for all we know she might just decide not to even run so its all premature until cstanleytech Aug 2014 #43

Of course. But if I'm to be totally honest Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #48

I want video of that if it happens cstanleytech Aug 2014 #102

Its simple MFM008 Aug 2014 #49

This is why hillary jonjensen Aug 2014 #51

Sounds like pure DLC/Third Way/New Democrat. merrily Aug 2014 #57

What is your excuse for mondale? jonjensen Aug 2014 #128

Excuse? I posted a substantive reply, which you ignored. For what do I need an excuse? merrily Aug 2014 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Aug 2014 #199

PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #143

What might have happend in 1972 had the Democratic leadership not decided to support Nixon? eridani Aug 2014 #71

I think you're refering to the Dixiecrat wing of the party Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #167

The entire leadership actively worked against McGovern eridani Aug 2014 #197

Even if what you say is true Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #227

Probably true, but the election would have been much closer n/t eridani Aug 2014 #253

I will vote for the Democratic candidate... Sancho Aug 2014 #54

I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. I won't vote for her in the primaries. Kalidurga Aug 2014 #55

Why do you feel like that??? ReRe Aug 2014 #56

I agree with one slight difference davidpdx Aug 2014 #63

The problem is. sendero Aug 2014 #64

Apparently, we fought a revolution to get away from the monarchy in 1776, merrily Aug 2014 #65

Hilary Clinton lost in 2008 because Barack Obama was capable of raising more money than she. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #67

That is not why I chose Obama in the fall of 2007, when she was 30 points ahead and merrily Aug 2014 #74

Obama laid the ground work for being a fund raising juggernaut in 2006. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #75

The Clintons had a fund raising juggernaut already in place before 2006. merrily Aug 2014 #76

And they would have never gone with Obama had he not demonstrated he could raise funds. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #79

That is different from saying Obama won the primary because he raised the most money. merrily Aug 2014 #81

You will be mocked when Hillary wins. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #85

If she is the nominee, I hope she wins the general. So, as I said, I will welcome the mocking. merrily Aug 2014 #87

Clinton lost largely because once Obama proved he could win a primary, blacks went with him> KittyWampus Aug 2014 #113

I don't blame you for your reservations about HRC. Laelth Aug 2014 #68

Because more people are buying her records than your favorite teen idol's? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #70

Ummm . . . because she is? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #72

Lots of words, yet no alternative recommended. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #77

Because you post at DU JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #78

Hey, did you notice George W. Bush* being forced on you? rock Aug 2014 #80

Electoral Kabuki Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #82

I don't know...why do you? brooklynite Aug 2014 #83

Because their arguments are reasons to vote against others. jeff47 Aug 2014 #84

Because she is. nt LWolf Aug 2014 #88

Because she is. The moneyed interests need to maintain the status quo. Autumn Aug 2014 #89

Simple answers to your first three questions negate the rest of your post. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #91

Who's failing you? Not Hillary. Proud Public Servant Aug 2014 #92

I'm glad we are not Republicans libodem Aug 2014 #93

Agreed. I will never forget 2008. I will consider any Dem. nominee but her. eom. SweetieD Aug 2014 #94

I don't think she's being forced on anyone. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #95

Forced? oh my, no! librechik Aug 2014 #97

My vote goes to Bernie Sanders!! 1monster Aug 2014 #98

Her Wall Street backers are using the media to make her inevitable LittleBlue Aug 2014 #99

I hate the idea of a candidate being "forced on" people who don't want her. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #100

i think we need to force ourselves on her accepting the nomination samsingh Aug 2014 #101

If it is only money that counts: sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #105

When she resigned as SoS because of "exhaustion"... Ino Aug 2014 #106

You (and I) don't support her but many other people do. n/t pampango Aug 2014 #107

To be fair, she only barely lost in 2008 Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2014 #108

Because the DCCC wants everything wraped up tight before the convention. Javaman Aug 2014 #109

Um, DCCC is responsible for electing Congressional candidates. brooklynite Aug 2014 #132

You're right, my bad, I meant the DNC. nt Javaman Aug 2014 #211

Because she is. EOM Le Taz Hot Aug 2014 #112

I want a nominee other than Clinton, but don't want to fight about it in 2014 Dems to Win Aug 2014 #115

Because she is. hifiguy Aug 2014 #117

Because she is. I believe carrots and sticks have been used behind the scenes to essentially create TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #120

As with by opinion on religion, I'll avoid "belief" that isn't supported by actual evidence... brooklynite Aug 2014 #131

Who made a we all know statement? Believe or pretend to believe as you will. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #255

Only you can answer that question Progressive dog Aug 2014 #123

Hilary voted for Iraq knowing it was a lie, and then blamed it on Bush when public opinion turned. chrisa Aug 2014 #124

I don't know you, so I have no idea. MineralMan Aug 2014 #125

Why hillary wins jonjensen Aug 2014 #129

I totally agree. I can think of no one who would galvanize the right Damansarajaya Aug 2014 #133

Hint: the corporate money candidate will be forced on you, one way or another Maven Aug 2014 #135

So Hillary -wasn't- the corporate money candidate in 2008? brooklynite Aug 2014 #139

They were both the corporate money candidates Maven Aug 2014 #140

Well, THAT's a convenient apologetic... brooklynite Aug 2014 #141

No apologia intended. Maven Aug 2014 #142

Very true. It's no coincidence that Obama's cabinet was full of Third Way Clintonites. Marr Aug 2014 #232

Absolutely Maven Aug 2014 #245

It's the corporate thing to do! BlueJac Aug 2014 #136

What are you talking about? Shankapotomus Aug 2014 #146

Again, again, again! LuvLoogie Aug 2014 #156

Let's not get greedy now Shankapotomus Aug 2014 #161

i agree with most of your post but i wouldn't call her an abject failure... she got a lot of votes. dionysus Aug 2014 #153

I don't care flying-skeleton Aug 2014 #155

I don't know. Why do you? She's not even announced she's running yet. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #158

Did Hillary announce? still_one Aug 2014 #159

Bernie Sanders believes in everything I do urbuddha Aug 2014 #162

Her poll numbers are absurdly high, much higher than 2008 Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #164

There were some long, steep hills in the neighborhood I lived in when I had my first car. winter is coming Aug 2014 #165

lol -had a Jeep like that, about half way up, it would start backfiring... whereisjustice Aug 2014 #172

LOL, mine never backfired, but I was usually doing about 15 when I crested the hill. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #173

+1, lol-- nice metaphor. Marr Aug 2014 #233

I really don't giveba shit. Old and In the Way Aug 2014 #166

I didn't really oppose Hill 'n Bill, until people started shoving her down my throat. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #170

HU8GE k/R 840high Aug 2014 #171

"we MUST look forward, not backward" Mnpaul Aug 2014 #174

Did you know that Harriet Christian died? Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #178

I have never heard of Harriet Christian. SheilaT Aug 2014 #223

K & R Myrina Aug 2014 #181

I disagree. She absolutely would beat anyone that the Republicans can put up. And I suspect that totodeinhere Aug 2014 #183

She is not treestar Aug 2014 #184

Elizabeth Warren would make a great President and she would INdemo Aug 2014 #186

You couldn't possibly be the only person who feels Elizabeth Warren is the truedelphi Aug 2014 #190

+1,000: "Hillary Clinton is NOT the future. She is the past." blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #187

Because she is being forced on Dems by virture of her war chest of money KauaiK Aug 2014 #189

The Cons are so childish . . . Utopian Leftist Aug 2014 #191

Try and focus on the idea of Mitt Romney being forced on you! DrewFlorida Aug 2014 #192

Been there, done that. Did NOT buy the T shirt. merrily Aug 2014 #206

If she's being forced on us, LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #212

It's almost 100% because Wall Street wants her. Marr Aug 2014 #214

I wish I could unrec this... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #221