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In reply to the discussion: Rumination on misogyny. [View all]
 

mythology

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22. Are you speaking legally or personally?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:17 PM
Aug 2014

Because legally we can't presume guilt in one crime when the basis of our legal system is that there is a presumption of innocence. If you are saying in terms of being supportive of a woman in one's personal life, then yes.

I also don't know that I agree that it's enough to say that if a woman feels as though she's been the victim of misogyny that she has by default. I wouldn't say that if a man says he has been the victim of discrimination that he has been by default. Even if you discount that because you believe a man can't understand the position due to the fact that our society has been male dominated for years, you still have to deal with the fact that misogyny means many things to different people.

Take for example the recent clip from Fox News where a bunch of female hosts said that cat calling was a compliment. I think most people here would say that cat calling qualifies as boorish misogynist behavior. If we simply use any word to mean whatever the individual who is saying it means, then words becomes meaningless. Words only have meaning if they are adequately and consistently defined. Saying that it's up to any one individual's perspective is kind of pointless to me.

It stands to reason that if I could be wrong that something is misogynistic when I think it isn't, then a woman can be wrong about something not being misogynistic when she thinks it is.

Rumination on misogyny. [View all] malthaussen Aug 2014 OP
one thing dsc Aug 2014 #1
Yes, that is the problem with an imperfect justice system. malthaussen Aug 2014 #2
false rape is between 2-3% per fbi and scotland yard, the same as other crimes. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #3
I am not saying it is a high number of cases dsc Aug 2014 #5
I'll have to quibble there, dsc. malthaussen Aug 2014 #6
I apologize if my inference wasn't your implication. dsc Aug 2014 #9
the number is the same as in al crimes. so i expect to have a consideration in the same manner seabeyond Aug 2014 #7
It is dsc Aug 2014 #10
In any event, of course... malthaussen Aug 2014 #11
way to jump in and derail the conversation? mopinko Aug 2014 #19
sorry dsc Aug 2014 #25
i figured you had been here long enough mopinko Aug 2014 #26
there are places called safe spaces for a reason dsc Aug 2014 #28
except that is not what you are doing. mopinko Aug 2014 #31
You don't get to dictate terms of discussion here dsc Aug 2014 #35
Because some wimmins is assholes XemaSab Aug 2014 #21
An Excellent Illustration, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #4
Thank you, Sir. malthaussen Aug 2014 #12
"It is not, therefore, for me to define the phenomenon for those who have had such experience" etherealtruth Aug 2014 #8
Excellent post BainsBane Aug 2014 #13
point. we have many men that do. maybe that is in part hearing so loudly the men unable/unwilling.nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #14
That would seem to be the essence of empathy. malthaussen Aug 2014 #15
DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #16
Thank you. malthaussen Aug 2014 #17
When the woman says the man raped her sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #18
Clearly, I don't think so. malthaussen Aug 2014 #20
What's legally relevant is not the person's own mind, but whether consent was expressed. Jim Lane Aug 2014 #24
Yes, I should have been clearer... malthaussen Aug 2014 #30
Sorry, I'm still not getting it. Jim Lane Aug 2014 #34
Consider, then, rather than "consent," "intent." malthaussen Aug 2014 #37
Are you speaking legally or personally? mythology Aug 2014 #22
Feelings, mythology, are subjective. malthaussen Aug 2014 #23
Very good post marym625 Aug 2014 #27
i think what is interesting with the OP, is the exploration. seabeyond Aug 2014 #29
Great OP. k&r. nt sufrommich Aug 2014 #32
does that same illustration work hfojvt Aug 2014 #33
Don't see why it shouldn't apply to misandry, hfojvt. malthaussen Aug 2014 #36
"you can be a misogynist and not be a bad person" hfojvt Aug 2014 #38
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