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In reply to the discussion: Rumination on misogyny. [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The second and third paragraphs of your OP were about rape. I took sulphurdunn (in #18) to be responding to that part, and your reply (#20) addressed consent in the context of rape.
Your point remains (from #20) that in matters of consent, a person knows their own mind best, and can not as certainly speak of another's. Even outside the courtroom, I still disagree. Consent is not a state of mind; it is what is expressed between the two people, and each is equally knowledgeable.
Putting aside consent and considering only subjective feelings, I'd agree with you. If the woman says that her consent was unenthusiastic and that the sex was unpleasant for her, and the man says she loved it, then I agree that her statement is entitled to more weight. I don't know if I'd call that misogyny, though. The guy was clueless about what his partner really felt, and/or he's so egotistical that he considers himself a superb lover and won't consider any evidence to the contrary. Cluelessness and egotism don't equate to hatred of or prejudice against women, though. I don't think it's fruitful to apply the term "misogyny" to anything that works out to the detriment of a woman.