Again, Democrats getting ready to shoot themselves- thanks to Bernie (Reply #175)

In the discussion thread: Bernie Sanders: Presidential Run Is Not About Hillary, It’s About The ‘Collapsing’ Middle Class [View all]

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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:24 AM

kansasobama (599 posts)

175. Again, Democrats getting ready to shoot themselves- thanks to Bernie

Bernie Sanders makes sense but running for President does not do anything. He needs to be firing up voters around the states in 2014. This is not about 2016.

By the way, I do not like it but fact are facts. Conservative voters outperform us. We just find a way to get disconnected and we do not know how to take small steps.

Bernie will do a Ralph Nader and 2016 will go to GOP.

This is looking like 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2000.

People do not learn from history.

For us to succeed, we need a liberal Congress and a moderate-left President. The liberal Congress should talk moderate but gradually enact liberal policies.

Our emotions and impatience and lack of strategy is our downfall.

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188 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bernie Sanders: Presidential Run Is Not About Hillary, It’s About The ‘Collapsing’ Middle Class [View all]	Purveyor	Sep 2014	OP
Sanders should run as a Democrat in the primaries. I'd vote for him over Hillary, who is to the	Louisiana1976	Sep 2014	#1
I hope he does. I don't agree with him but on only a few issues and he would indeed	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#2
"Hillary will not get my vote either in the primary or general" - Ditto	Veilex	Sep 2014	#3
You'll just take your toys and leave the sandbox. How mature of you.	pnwmom	Sep 2014	#5
My vote, my choice, none of yours. Full stop.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#9
If it's the general, deciding not to vote for the Dem is a boost for the Rethug, whoever he is,	pnwmom	Sep 2014	#14
That is only true if the voter	ZombieHorde	Sep 2014	#19
+1 - Hey, stop that!	Veilex	Sep 2014	#23
Fortunately for me, I have the opposite situation.	merrily	Sep 2014	#91
PS. Presidentials come down to about a dozen counties, not even states.	merrily	Sep 2014	#92
"you can't justify that to me" - Wrong. I don't need to.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#20
well, I SURE hope you're going to vote in the Nov. midterms.	BlancheSplanchnik	Sep 2014	#83
You were on target when you said "this isn't only a matter of principles".	Veilex	Sep 2014	#84
first get your ass to the midterms.	BlancheSplanchnik	Sep 2014	#85
Any DUer who is eligible to vote and does not vote	merrily	Sep 2014	#93
"Any DUer who is eligible to vote and does not vote should stop posting here"	Veilex	Sep 2014	#95
That would work for national elections, but not local.	merrily	Sep 2014	#97
I'd like to thank you for taking an active roll in helping to make that change.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#99
I hope I had something to do with it, but I do not know.	merrily	Sep 2014	#102
Agreed.	MynameisBlarney	Sep 2014	#132
No worries there.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#98
Responsible citizens vote.	merrily	Sep 2014	#100
True.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#101
Well then, I must be a voting geek too. I love primary and election days.	merrily	Sep 2014	#104
okay...	Veilex	Sep 2014	#131
LOL! You could have stopped after "I enlisted in the U.S. Army."	merrily	Sep 2014	#135
Truthfully, I havent gotten that far...	Veilex	Sep 2014	#137
Well, supposedly Colin Powell's wife didn't want him to run, either and	merrily	Sep 2014	#149
Thanks!	Veilex	Sep 2014	#156
Then, you are a true entrepreneur, for I think this is	merrily	Sep 2014	#161
Maybe Democratic candidates need to stop acting like Republicans	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#54
+1	Scuba	Sep 2014	#117
+1	Veilex	Sep 2014	#133
Historically, yes. But if Sen Sanders has the numbers to win, is vote independent as well.	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	FlatStanley	Sep 2014	#90
You'd rather throw your vote away on a candidate who can't win than vote for someone	pnwmom	Sep 2014	#94
You seem to think that hacking off four fingers is better than hacking off five fingers.	FlatStanley	Sep 2014	#166
I'm not a big Hillary fan.	lark	Sep 2014	#140
"she's still better than the Repug alternative" - And this logic here is exactly how the Kochs win	Veilex	Sep 2014	#143
So if Hillary is running against Ted Cruise or Ben Carson, God's chosen candidate,	pnwmom	Sep 2014	#4
Yeah...wow. If the Party can't nominate a 'progressive' why should I cast a vote	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#7
+1	Veilex	Sep 2014	#12
+1000	ballyhoo	Sep 2014	#22
Exactly	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#55
+100000	Veilex	Sep 2014	#134
+100000	woo me with science	Sep 2014	#116
Hillary the Borg is part of the collective.....	Kilgore	Sep 2014	#168
Ah yes, the lesser of evils manipulation that some of you fall for. The PTB want H. Clinton and have	rhett o rick	Sep 2014	#86
+1	Scuba	Sep 2014	#118
I'm with you, Purveyor.	JDPriestly	Sep 2014	#107
That's a silly thing.	MynameisBlarney	Sep 2014	#130
I'd vote for him too, although I adamantly disagree	ballyhoo	Sep 2014	#17
Having watched his delivery on Thom hartmann...	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#56
Tell you what, Scootaloo, read this (or as much as you can) and	ballyhoo	Sep 2014	#60
I could have written much of that blog post myself.	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#63
It's too late now and I have to feed my dogs, but tomorrow if you	ballyhoo	Sep 2014	#70
Here's the video	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#73
Fun fact: Gore won Florida.	FlatStanley	Sep 2014	#88
I love Bernie	Old Crow	Sep 2014	#6
Bernie is pretty damn awsome.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#13
Hadn't considered that, but I'm sure you're right.	Old Crow	Sep 2014	#15
Interesting!	Veilex	Sep 2014	#25
Yeah, and Reagan, 'the great communicator'	MissDeeds	Sep 2014	#27
Nice catch!	Veilex	Sep 2014	#35
Glad to help	MissDeeds	Sep 2014	#40
Check out this thread here on DU and get on board! with a K&R	TheNutcracker	Sep 2014	#8
Run, Berine, Run!	RoccoR5955	Sep 2014	#10
Yay, Bernie!	Enthusiast	Sep 2014	#11
+ a zillion n/t	MissDeeds	Sep 2014	#42
Please Bernie ....	DrBulldog	Sep 2014	#16
It is way too late	hack89	Sep 2014	#18
Nah, liberals have an appetite for a liberal.	joshcryer	Sep 2014	#89
If he is merely an anti-Hilary candidate	hack89	Sep 2014	#114
He's been consistently far more people empowerment than HRC	Veilex	Sep 2014	#136
Except Hillary has widespread support among Dems	hack89	Sep 2014	#139
"She is a known quantity, warts and all" - and that's her downfall.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#142
She has a 90% favorably rating among Democrats	hack89	Sep 2014	#148
No link with your stats?	Veilex	Sep 2014	#162
They are from the same Gallup poll you quoted	hack89	Sep 2014	#164
You're confused...	Veilex	Sep 2014	#169
Didn't say you posted the link	hack89	Sep 2014	#170
I read it and didn't see the statistic you claim is there.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#184
I don't think you looked very hard	hack89	Sep 2014	#185
"I don't think you looked very hard" - or perhaps confirmation bias got in the way.	Veilex	Sep 2014	#186
Not a problem. nt	hack89	Sep 2014	#187
He's got my money:)	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#110
There are not enough of you to make a difference.	hack89	Sep 2014	#115
You can keep hoping that, but in the end I believe you will find	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#119
No. His appeal he got Medicare for all in Vermont. Burlington is now 100% renewable energy. He audit	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#176
And he still has no name recognition, no money, no organization	hack89	Sep 2014	#178
I bet you agree with his position that health care is a RIGHT:)	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#180
I agree with many of his positions	hack89	Sep 2014	#182
His policy positions are great! Remember Obama, he beat the odds too.	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#183
Mine too.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#174
Scripted personas for sure. Note how they frame the debate as bernie vs Hill, instead if on the	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#177
Sure, because "on the issues" Bernie wins. Can't permit that discussion to ensue.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#179
Voting for president Obama twice was exciting. Voting for Bernie would be exciting as well. K&R	NRaleighLiberal	Sep 2014	#21
I would vote for Bernie Sanders.	CentralMass	Sep 2014	#24
awww this will hurt some folks feelings....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#26
I believe, in their excitement at the prospect of not having to vote for Hillary Clinton,	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2014	#29
Exactly....I do believe these are the dregs that come here just to start trouble....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#32
I've read similar posts on other sites like the anti-HRC ones on this thread alone.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2014	#38
Perfect example.....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#39
Start 'alerting then' and notify MIRT. This place will get damn quiet and lonely in a hurry, indeed	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#30
Why do YOU think there is a shortage of REAL Democrats on DU?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#33
Are you calling me a 'troll'? eom	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#34
I don't know....you tell me....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#36
One that has a potential progressive candidate that may become a democratic candidate to	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#41
this is also not Progressive Underground....but you can start that blog if you want...	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#43
OK. You are slipping off the rail now so I'll let you have the last illogical word	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#45
OH I AM? That's rich....let me give you a refresher	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#46
You should have highlighted this section:	Purveyor	Sep 2014	#48
being in support of the third party candidate....and Bernie qualifies....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#49
Wrong. Remember the Charlie Crist Independent run in FL? There was a Democrat in	kelly1mm	Sep 2014	#62
No not wrong.....I just posted the exact words....which includes NEVER....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#64
Simple question: Were OP's and threads supporting third party candidate Charlie Crist allowed on DU	kelly1mm	Sep 2014	#71
did it use the word or not?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#159
This just in! lol	RandiFan1290	Sep 2014	#113
DU jury is broken....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#171
"...we're not going to do anything about 2016 talk until well into 2016."	winter is coming	Sep 2014	#53
Its about a third party.....not within the Democratic party....	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#67
There have many threads about Bernie Sanders.	winter is coming	Sep 2014	#75
So? This proves what? you only have ONE piece of evidence with which I am to draw your conclusion	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#77
Your putative "evidence" is an excerpt from the TOS that you don't seem to understand.	winter is coming	Sep 2014	#81
Unless it's Charlie Crist or (maybe) Bernie Sanders? The precident has been set already on DU.nt	kelly1mm	Sep 2014	#82
So are many things that slide.	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#58
and who decides what that is? You I presume?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#61
Who decides what what is? You need a subject in your sentence. n/t	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#65
Who decides what qualifies per YOUR conditions?	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#66
I don't have demands, kid	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#68
sounded like demands to me bucko!	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#69
Then you need to take remedial English.	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#72
hmmmm seems I know it better than you think:	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#74
Technically correct, you do know more than I thought you did	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#76
"technically correct"	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#78
Well, your claim that I'm "making demands" is still pure bullshit	Scootaloo	Sep 2014	#80
I must say, you crack me up--in a good way.	Old Crow	Sep 2014	#87
+1	Veilex	Sep 2014	#96
Ooooh!	Old Crow	Sep 2014	#103
Pretty funny comment coming from	Union Scribe	Sep 2014	#79
Sanders is more of a Democrat than Clinton is	LondonReign2	Sep 2014	#125
Hillary is also at this time not a democratic candidate for president	Rilgin	Sep 2014	#157
It depends on what the polls show	JonLP24	Sep 2014	#167
I don't think Bernie would do well in the debates, he has a hard time in Townhall meetings.	Thinkingabout	Sep 2014	#28
Is that why he wins?	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#111
You could say the same for Chris Christie "wins" also, it may work in their state but it does not	Thinkingabout	Sep 2014	#124
Christies a crook. I think that's his problem.	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#153
My money is on Bernie. He has a hard time because telling the truth is touchy. Many don't	rhett o rick	Sep 2014	#127
Many don't like to be treated as he does his constituents, he claims democracy when he speaks	Thinkingabout	Sep 2014	#138
So exactly what are you accusing him of? nm	rhett o rick	Sep 2014	#144
He is ugly in a townhall meeting and when backed into a corner he yells "shut up", if	Thinkingabout	Sep 2014	#145
I am familiar with the single case you are referring to and sympathize with	rhett o rick	Sep 2014	#146
He either has to keep his hat on and wear it, there will be other times where this will happen.	Thinkingabout	Sep 2014	#152
Dafuq I just read	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#188
Let him run!	bigworld	Sep 2014	#31
there IS no Coronation....there IS however a Primary...Some folks just have better numbers	VanillaRhapsody	Sep 2014	#37
Thank you for the necessary reality check.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2014	#44
That was a great interview and I hope he runs.	Autumn	Sep 2014	#47
They will be extremely reluctant to have Bernie Sanders	Uncle Joe	Sep 2014	#50
Smart observations there.	Old Crow	Sep 2014	#52
Note that they trashed him afterwards for not 'taking on' Hillary	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#112
Note that they never ask Hillary whether she should run because Candidate X is or might be running.	Uncle Joe	Sep 2014	#141
Good point. They never ask Hillary about sanders policy positions.	grahamhgreen	Sep 2014	#151
The 1% will let you know who is acceptable for you to vote for.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#163
It's truly Ironic, North Carolina, that our nation was founded on breaking away from royalty	Uncle Joe	Sep 2014	#165
Neither party works for the average citizen. The Dems will tinker about the edges	NorthCarolina	Sep 2014	#172
If Senator Sanders stands up, I'll be on his side.	saidsimplesimon	Sep 2014	#51
"...anger at the media establishment." I imagine that one slipped right by Mr. Media Establishment,	scarletwoman	Sep 2014	#57
Bernie is probably the most sensible person in DC.	JEB	Sep 2014	#59
PLEASE RUN, BERNIE [n/t]	Maedhros	Sep 2014	#105
K&R for Bernie Sanders!	JDPriestly	Sep 2014	#106
Bernie/Elizabeth 2016! Rebuild the middle class dream ticket. knr nt	Veganhealedme	Sep 2014	#108
Bernie Sanders has been underestimated before -- his winning as mayor of Burlington VT was unlikely	karynnj	Sep 2014	#120
So who is going to be in Congress?	treestar	Sep 2014	#121
I don't like Hillary at all, but I'll vote for her.	broadcaster75201	Sep 2014	#122
Masterful response ...	1StrongBlackMan	Sep 2014	#123
It's about exposing the Two party system that polarizes us .	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2014	#126
It choice is simple. If you want to fix the ever growing inequality problem, pick Sanders.	rhett o rick	Sep 2014	#128
This man would make an outstanding Prez.	MynameisBlarney	Sep 2014	#129
Chucky Toad failed his billionaire handlers.	olegramps	Sep 2014	#147
But I heard that the Clintons are "dead broke." Surely that must qualify them as one of the 99%?????	blkmusclmachine	Sep 2014	#150
Bernie gets it!.Bernie for president!	Initech	Sep 2014	#154
Wow, he is GOOD. really good.	Raffi Ella	Sep 2014	#155
My question is...	Stellar	Sep 2014	#158
K&R!	2banon	Sep 2014	#160
Chuck replies: You never mentioned the middle class. .	B Calm	Sep 2014	#173
Again, Democrats getting ready to shoot themselves- thanks to Bernie	kansasobama	Sep 2014	#175
Was there anything he said that was not accurate? I don't think so. K&R	Jefferson23	Sep 2014	#181

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