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Showing Original Post only (View all)David Boies plans to strip teachers of due process rights state by state. [View all]
I can't begin to fathom how harmful it is to say teachers' due process rights harm civil rights. It is amazing how Boies and Campbell Brown and others are simply getting away with it...the media never questions it.
David Boies, eyeing education through a civil rights lens
David Boies, the superlawyer who chairs a group that is trying to overturn teacher tenure laws in New York and elsewhere, said Monday that his organization is not looking to take the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court at least not in the short run.
Well, thank goodness for that at least.
Last month, Boies became chairman of the Partnership for Educational Justice, a group founded by former CNN anchor Campbell Brown to challenge teacher tenure laws. The group says that tenure laws make it too costly and difficult to get rid of weak teachers and that poor students are saddled with the worst educators.
A similar group based in California led by lawyers Ted Olson and Ted Boutrous, with whom Boies worked on the Supreme Court case regarding gay marriage challenged and won a judgment in a Los Angeles court against that states tenure laws. The judge found that tenure laws violate students civil rights under the state constitution. The teachers union and Gov. Jerry Brown are appealing.
This is what he plans to do.
Boies said in an interview with The Washington Post that he is crafting a state-by-state strategy regarding teacher tenure because many state constitutions explicitly require the provision of an equal education to all public school students.
All these lawsuits against teachers' due process rights....a hearing before being fired...are putting the blame on teachers for ills that are not their fault at all.
I don't think I could have stood up for the rights of my students if I had not had a continuing contract behind me. That did not mean I could not be fired, but it meant that there had to be just cause.
I could give so many examples. This one stands out because of the child's suffering. A 2nd grader in my class years ago had serious kidney and bladder problems. Because of their religious views the parents would not take him to the doctor for treatment. We even worked out a way they could go now, pay later, but they instead had a violent reaction to our (guidance counselor and I) even talking to them about it.
They threatened to sue me, they were furious. I told them they would have to do what they had to do, but that their child was suffering. I told them of his daily embarrassments and tears. They were not even moved by it. I could take a firm stand because I had tenure (due process)...and even if the principal agreed with them there would have to be just cause. The principal in fact was running scared of a possible religious controversy, not sure how it would have gone.
We had to resolve it through child services.
So to Mr Boies, go ahead with your crusade against teachers' right to due process before being fired. You will probably win because the money, the power, and the media are all on your side.
But the children will have lost. Teachers will fear being advocates for children if they are in a tenuous position with an administration that wants no controversy.
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madfloridian
Sep 2014
OP
Actually bad teachers CAN be fired. The admins must be ready, must document...
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#3
The school unions are more like associations in RTW states. Not very strong.
Starry Messenger
Sep 2014
#33
Test scores are highest in the states with the strongest tenure laws and teachers unions.
Starry Messenger
Sep 2014
#41
And must do it repeatedly, over time, while spending resources to "help" the teacher.
HuckleB
Sep 2014
#62
I hope you don't mean that every teacher deserves their right to due process taken away
BrotherIvan
Sep 2014
#5
Actually, many MEd's for Elementary and Middle school degrees have LOTS of new stuff...
Sancho
Sep 2014
#91
What I wrote is that the teaching profession can no longer attract certain fields that make more
BrotherIvan
Sep 2014
#93
I have always said we have plenty of bad teachers and need to pay more to attract greater talent
joeglow3
Sep 2014
#104
Well....that isn't the argument put forth by the Plaintiffs. If it was, I suspect
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#49
I don't think you are a liar, but you may have limited experience with these things....
Sancho
Sep 2014
#16
My concreteness is quite specific here: my principal should have been able to fire her
Recursion
Sep 2014
#32
Did you ever think the principal was the more incompetent one in this situation?
MohRokTah
Sep 2014
#55
The principal, with the help of the principal's supervisor. Still, it doesn't happen, quite often.
HuckleB
Sep 2014
#82
If the school system hired a science teacher who knew nothing about science, it is the school
ladjf
Sep 2014
#36
I didn't say to not look at the outcomes. I just didn't take the time to discuss everything
ladjf
Sep 2014
#68
Boies and similar groups are attacking tenure for purely political and profit reasons....
Sancho
Sep 2014
#17
Indeed, they want to replace teachers with untrained people who make $10.10 an hour
BuelahWitch
Sep 2014
#22
Yet a number of our so called moderates are going right along with it. nt
Guy Whitey Corngood
Sep 2014
#65
Yeah, *that* "superlawyer"!1 & GORE apparently hasn't learned, hired him for the Al Jezeera suit n/t
UTUSN
Sep 2014
#27
Let's not mince words here, brent. Are you alleging that I, an Obama campaign
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#75
You claim that it was your tenure that gave you more confidence to do what the law required.
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#99
No..REALLY. Here is where you PROVE, with a primary source, either from the CA
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#101
When did the civil rights of children become subordinate to a property right?
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#106
Jake...on another thread you obviously were angry with me for reminding you
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#112
Makes one wonder how much his legal heart was in it when arguing for a Gore victory......
WinkyDink
Sep 2014
#47