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freshwest

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31. Politics is said to be a luxury of the leisure classes. Thus, he said upward social mobility.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:47 PM
Sep 2014

The upper classes in terms of land ownership or capital do not require a public education nor the maintenance of the Commons.

Public education is its crowning achievement, along with libraries and other shared educational opportunities, to make social advancement.

Those who dispute it and want it privatized are in general conservatives, unwilling to pay taxes for the Commons because they do not benefit. It's as simple as that.

When people receive an education to advance in society and approach the freedom and privileges of wealth, if only slightly, they have the leisure to participate as citizens.

Where there is no free time, all the civics in the world are but a bitter mockery to the worker who is unlanded and has no connections to rise to the level of citizen.

Despite all claims to the contrary, people have been lifted up through publicly funded education of the broad kind for teaching their rights as citizens and how to make a living.

While I see the desire for a fully rounded liberal education with civics and public involvement encouraged in public schools, I believe the person you disagree with on this point to be more correct than you.

One who is landed and has roots to build upon, has concerns that many do not. No amount of civics will give them that power; they do not have the leisure to move in the same networks as others do right now.

There are arguments made against a free and public education for various reasons. The Koch brothers and their ilk, and increasingly some less fortunate, see no need for public education NOR do they see any use in people seeking upward mobility.

They think that tribalism or running away will meet their needs. It may do so, but that is only for certain groups who are able to survive that way.

Others require society and education for more economic reasons at this phase in their lives, unable to make a choice as others have.

We may be talking at cross purposes for a moment, as I see that their are some people who cannot possibly be as engaged in politics and being full citizens, and others may have that ability. But they are not in the same group.

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Public Education [View all] H2O Man Sep 2014 OP
"afford individual students with the opportunity for upward economic mobility" NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
Well said! H2O Man Sep 2014 #14
informed citizenry has been my number one justabob Sep 2014 #2
Right. H2O Man Sep 2014 #15
how to think, not what to think... exactly nt justabob Sep 2014 #22
"current “war on teachers” (especially the war on teachers’ unions) is actually a war on democracy" madfloridian Sep 2014 #3
well-deserved king words too! QED Sep 2014 #5
And you deserve them.... daleanime Sep 2014 #9
I want to express my gratitude to madfloridian and H2O Man. FourScore Sep 2014 #13
2nd That expression! Absolute DU Treasures! adirondacker Sep 2014 #21
+1,000 malaise Sep 2014 #28
I make a point H2O Man Sep 2014 #16
*Very* well-deserved. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #27
It sounds a lot like the old argument about the value of a liberal arts education.... femmocrat Sep 2014 #4
One of my daughters H2O Man Sep 2014 #17
K&R Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #6
Yes, it does! H2O Man Sep 2014 #18
Great post ... wavesofeuphoria Sep 2014 #7
Preparing for a global economy.. madfloridian Sep 2014 #11
Thanks. H2O Man Sep 2014 #20
Congress is not to informing, its to be informed by its electorate. They operate on our will.... marble falls Sep 2014 #8
In "United States v. Rumely H2O Man Sep 2014 #32
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #10
They go hand-in-hand. H2O Man Sep 2014 #33
Profititus, The taught disease. Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #12
Thoughtful post. madfloridian Sep 2014 #35
Well said. H2O Man Sep 2014 #38
Thank you, H2O Man! Thank you, madfloridian! Octafish Sep 2014 #19
Right. H2O Man Sep 2014 #39
My appreciation to Madflo, always, LWolf Sep 2014 #23
Thank you. H2O Man Sep 2014 #40
You're welcome. LWolf Sep 2014 #44
My wife is an educator and Dr. Xavier Sep 2014 #24
When I retired books were in short supply... madfloridian Sep 2014 #25
Very good. H2O Man Sep 2014 #41
The school where I went to K-3 was the Dickinson building hootinholler Sep 2014 #26
Daniel Dickinson was H2O Man Sep 2014 #42
Great post and thread. I graduated high school in 1965, when Civics was still required to graduate. mountain grammy Sep 2014 #29
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2014 #43
That public education is not a fundamental Constitutional right is one of the founders' greatest ancianita Sep 2014 #30
Politics is said to be a luxury of the leisure classes. Thus, he said upward social mobility. freshwest Sep 2014 #31
I agree completely. Thank you for... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #36
Thanks quaker bill Sep 2014 #37
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