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cthulu2016

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6. Yes, but the WH (Biden, Carney, Obama himself) have said they didn't get it
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 01:27 AM
Dec 2011

There has never been a public claim I know of that, "We understood the situation and understood that no legislation we suggested would actually be as effective as needed, but for political reasons we decided to not even propose what needed to be passed."

There have been public statements that "nobody knew" (A political term of art meaning "I didn't know" ) how bad the crisis was.

Are those statements themselves political? To some degree, sure.

But the real bottom line is that it doesn't much matter what people in power think in their heart of hearts because they the powerful are defined by real world manifestations.

Or, to put it more straightforwardly, as Biden says, "Show me your budget and I'll tell you your priorities."

There is no evidence I know of that the WH secretly wanted effective measures to deal with a crisis they understood.

That doesn't mean they didn't. Maybe they did. But it kind of doesn't matter what they felt inside if they never proposed or called for right answers. A president doesn't need a compliant congress to say, "This is the right answer and you should pass it."

They won't pass it, but there is great value to speaking the truth and having the right answer at least on the table. Being on the table counts, even if it won't pass. It elevates the visability of the right answer.

All of that said, I don't know that anyone who could have gotten elected in the first place would have done all that much better. It's not like we were alone. They pulled the same bone-headed shit in alost every first-world economy. Europe did as bad or worse. Lots of people "got it" but none of them had power.

He SUCKS! Why don't you provide how bad he's doing, with links? I know you have them. babylonsister Dec 2011 #1
Your metrics focus on direction cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #2
Your point is well taken, but MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #3
I still blame direction on wages on Reagan cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #17
The smartest guy would have still had to wait for legislation to sign right? BootinUp Dec 2011 #4
A leader's job is to lead. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #5
Its not a one sided equation. nt BootinUp Dec 2011 #7
There are three branches of government. jaxx Dec 2011 #8
You're right. That's why I won't be volunteering for Obama this time around... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #11
That's your choice. jaxx Dec 2011 #13
Yes, but the WH (Biden, Carney, Obama himself) have said they didn't get it cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #6
I think that putting things on the table is still a political calculation. nt BootinUp Dec 2011 #9
Absolutely. I agree. cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #12
Its not really a question of being right. BootinUp Dec 2011 #15
Or, veto. Like he said he would veto the NDAA....oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #10
I think those are bad measures hfojvt Dec 2011 #14
As far as median income goes, it would be a better gauge in certain situations. Selatius Dec 2011 #16
Don't forget that he also cut Social Security by 22%...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #18
Obama only called for cuts to SS MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #20
Remember context: financial collapse was best opportunity for Dems in 70 years kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #19
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