Actually no. He and Snowden didn't tell the truth about the NSA. (Reply #24)

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Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:48 PM

24. Actually no. He and Snowden didn't tell the truth about the NSA.

Like everything else Greenwald writes, he embellished a smidgen of fact to make it appear much worse than it was. It's a tactic many liars use. He is a very good liar.

And Snowden eventually stopped doing media appearances because every time he appeared he told several additional lies which were promptly discovered.

Greenwald has two specific agendas that tend to dovetail. #1 is that he is a right-wing Libertarian and #2 is that he is a Negative Nationalist against the US. It's not clear to me which of these is more important to him. If I was forced to guess I would say that #2 is slightly more important. The point is that he will twist every story to fit one or both of those agendas.

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58 replies	Author	Time	Post
Quotes from the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live. [View all]	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	OP
More from Glenn Greenwald:	NYC_SKP	Oct 2014	#1
Your obsession is adorable, Geek.	Scootaloo	Oct 2014	#2
You're denying the man has a dedicated fanbase and diehard defenders here?	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#3
I don't think I've ever seen anyone call him "The greatest progressive ever to live."	Scootaloo	Oct 2014	#4
I'm a Greenwald fan but I have never seen anyone call him the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live	Autumn	Oct 2014	#5
I believe these to be Greenwald's quotes, but given your history, you need to provide a link.	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2014	#6
All from glenngreenwald.blogspot.com	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#10
From the world's greatest progressive ever	Capt. Obvious	Oct 2014	#17
I was expecting E.V. Debbs, and all I got was Grernwald?	Eleanors38	Oct 2014	#7
Careful, lest you descend into self-parody.	scarletwoman	Oct 2014	#8
DU rec...	SidDithers	Oct 2014	#9
Is there a link so I can make sense of the points in this OP?	freshwest	Oct 2014	#11
All are direct quotes from Greenwald from	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#14
Interesting And Instructive, Sir	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#12
Yes, It has been obvious to all non-Greenwald Fanboys what he was about from the beginning, sir	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#15
'Negative Nationalism', Sir, Is A Nice Phrase	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#23
Is 'Negative Nationalism' similiar to this?	freshwest	Oct 2014	#26
Partially, yes. Orwell's full notes on nationalism where he describes negative nationalism	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#28
Thanks very much, I will search out all on that link to define this better for myself.	freshwest	Oct 2014	#29
Yep, it’s very telling.	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#34
If Governor Dean Said Anything Approximating That, Sir, He Was Wrong	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#35
Not just wrong, it would mean Dean was furthering “the great project of the modern right” and	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#37
That Would Be The Effect, Sir, Viewed Coldly, If Any Action Were Taken On The Proposition	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#38
Right, so Dean’s exempt from the “right-wing libertarian” label because he isn’t anti-war.	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#42
You Can Say Whatever You Want, Sir	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#44
And we're back to throwing around falsehoods about Greenwald it seems	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#50
You Prove Nothing, Sir	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#52
Of course Greenwald's endorsement of multiple Democrats and praise of Obama doesn't matter to you	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#54
O/U for Rec's for this thread is 23.5 - 12 hour limit	Capt. Obvious	Oct 2014	#13
I think that is right for several reasons	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#16
Obsess much?	Savannahmann	Oct 2014	#18
Damn!	hootinholler	Oct 2014	#21
Actually no. He and Snowden didn't tell the truth about the NSA.	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#24
Pfui	Savannahmann	Oct 2014	#30
I've debunked all of that before. Here and now we have a chance to see what Greenwald and Snowden	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#31
You've debunked exactly nothing, and neither has been caught in a lie	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2014	#32
I have multiple times. And now we have an opportunity to see more of what they are about.	stevenleser	Oct 2014	#33
Thank you. Well said. nt	elias49	Oct 2014	#53
Bullshit!	hootinholler	Oct 2014	#19
Other famous quotes by progressive thinkers	Ichingcarpenter	Oct 2014	#20
I was riffing off the greatest progressive to ever live	hootinholler	Oct 2014	#22
Yes, I did. I was under the influence of drugs at the time.	randome	Oct 2014	#25
It's nice to have a hobby. nt	Union Scribe	Oct 2014	#27
Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#36
Howard Dean wanted the SCOTUS to gut Obamacare.	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#39
You should start threads attacking Howard Dean	Capt. Obvious	Oct 2014	#40
You May Be Over-Stating There A Bit, Sir	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#45
Governor Dean expressed hope the mandate	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#46
Like Some Others, Sir, He Seemed To Think That A Step Towards Making Single-Payer Viable Politically	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#47
No doubt our totally non-libertarian friend was seeking to gild his own	geek tragedy	Oct 2014	#48
I'd say the onus is on the person digging up the 9 year old comment to: 1. Not truncate it in an	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#49
Mischaracterization And Praise, Sir, Are Different Things	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#51
Do you have ANY evidence that "He mis-characterized Gov. Dean, in an attempt to make his own views	Chathamization	Oct 2014	#56
There Is No Evidence, Sir, For Describing Gov. Dean As A 'Fervent Proponent Of State's Rights'	The Magistrate	Oct 2014	#57
Very few people.......	NCTraveler	Oct 2014	#41
kick	Blue_Tires	Oct 2014	#43
All hail Glenn Greenwald	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2014	#58
K&R	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2014	#55

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