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Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:41 AM

50. And we're back to throwing around falsehoods about Greenwald it seems

This is simply an assertion by a person whose credibility and judgement are open to serious question.

Well, I hope this isn't just another baseless accusation. I'm sure you can provide examples of when Greenwald said someone spoke in favor of something and they hadn't?

I did not bother to comment much on his rantings when Bush was in office

Yes, not many of the people trashing him now did, which is rather revealing. Especially since, again, he wasn't attacked for these comments when he made them, but rather years later - after he disavowed at least some of them and said his beliefs at this time were uninformed and often incorrect.

Mr. Greenwald's target is government, though he veils this somewhat in the posture that he is attacking only corrupt and corrupting people in government. Since in his eyes virtually everyone who actually wields any power in government is corrupt or corrupting, lawless, a liar, a tyrant, in embryo if not yet in full flower, the effect is the same.

Yes, Greenwald just hates everyone in the government:

And I say that despite my belief that — as critical as I’ve been of the Obama presidency regarding civil liberties and Terrorism — foreign affairs is actually one area where he’s shown genuine potential for some constructive “change” and has, on occasion, merited real praise for taking steps in the general “peace” direction which this Prize is meant to honor.


Just everyone:

During his 18 years in the U.S. Senate, Russ Feingold was easily one of the most interesting, intelligent, and independent elected officials. He frequently deviated from and vocally criticized his Party’s orthodoxy, and was by far the most stalwart voice among Senate Democrats in combatting the influence of corporate money in politics and defending civil liberties, especially in the post-9/11 era. His courageous sole vote against the Patriot Act in the weeks after 9/11 — underlined by a vigorous speech on the Senate floor in October, 2001, warning of the “loss of commitment in the Congress and the country to traditional civil liberties”– evinced all of those attributes. Those are the attributes that led me to advocate for his 2010 re-election and for readers here, in response, to donate over $50,000 in one day to his campaign.

I mean everyone:

I've long been an admirer of Holt for reasons going way beyond his unusually firm defense of civil liberties and opposition to secrecy. He's one of the few members of Congress who understands the evils of crony capitalism and its corrosive effect on Congress


Really, everyone:

But more important, Grayson has managed to have more positive impact on more substantive matters than any House freshman in a long time (indeed, he makes more of a positive impact than the vast majority of members of Congress generally).


You'll understand it if some of use have grown tired of the "I'll state a falsehood about Greenwald, you spend time collecting evidence showing it's wrong, I'll dismiss that and state another falsehood" game.

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