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malaise

(268,998 posts) Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:42 AM Oct 2014

Here we go again-St Louis policeman kills 18-year-old, reviving Ferguson tensions [View all]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/09/st-louis-police-shoot-18-year-old-reviving-tensions-over-ferguson
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A St Louis city policeman shot and killed a young male suspect on Wednesday, authorities said, bringing new tension as protests continue over the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black teenager in August.

Some accounts of the case said the young man, named locally as Vonderrick Myers Jr, 18, had only been carrying a sandwich. Teyonna Myers, 23, of Florissant, said Myers was her cousin. “He was unarmed,” she told the St Louis Post-Dispatch. “He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. It’s like Michael Brown all over again.”

Police spokeswoman Leah Freeman told CNN said the officer had been off-duty and working an approved second job when he attempted to stop Myers for a “pedestrian check”. He had been wearing his police uniform.

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It's open season on African Americans

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Here we go again-St Louis policeman kills 18-year-old, reviving Ferguson tensions [View all] malaise Oct 2014 OP

“pedestrian check” = black person is guilty of something DontTreadOnMe Oct 2014 #1

No No...you have it all wrong CincyDem Oct 2014 #14

You left out the notorious WHWB... Lochloosa Oct 2014 #19

Police officer fatally shoots teenager in south St. Louis Sherman A1 Oct 2014 #2

Case of the missing Taser seveneyes Oct 2014 #6

cop says he tased him marym625 Oct 2014 #15

Where did you see that pintobean Oct 2014 #22

I'm looking marym625 Oct 2014 #29

I'm local* and have been following the story locally. pintobean Oct 2014 #34

I'm not making it up marym625 Oct 2014 #43

Cardinals Nation and the press are flooding St. Louis. pintobean Oct 2014 #46

One story says a 9mm Ruger was recovered. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #50

OH! marym625 Oct 2014 #63

I heard that last night too davekriss Oct 2014 #48

Did that report say pintobean Oct 2014 #51

It was an emotional report davekriss Oct 2014 #54

Maybe that's why I can't find it marym625 Oct 2014 #58

So, you're going to leave it pintobean Oct 2014 #94

I am not the only one. marym625 Oct 2014 #107

The comments section does NOT speak well for the citizens of St. Louis. Scuba Oct 2014 #7

comment section of what? marym625 Oct 2014 #30

... Scuba Oct 2014 #44

Sorry missed the link marym625 Oct 2014 #56

I just scanned a couple dozen of the comments ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #64

Lots of new comments since I posted, but here's some samples of the type that prompted me ... Scuba Oct 2014 #72

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #73

Witnesses say otherwise. marble falls Oct 2014 #10

They may be correct Sherman A1 Oct 2014 #13

You waiting for the final version from the cops? marym625 Oct 2014 #16

I have found that early press reports Sherman A1 Oct 2014 #42

Yes, it's always best to wait until the cop has had giftedgirl77 Oct 2014 #60

So, Sherman A1 Oct 2014 #62

A final version ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #66

We need to wait for all the facts to come in on that tree falling thing. bravenak Oct 2014 #77

ONLY IF marym625 Oct 2014 #85

Witness testimony though is known to be unreliable. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #24

Yeah, hosing off the crime scene is immensely preservative. Lars39 Oct 2014 #26

Why shouldnt they clean it? cstanleytech Oct 2014 #32

But had they already photographed and collected all they needed? Lars39 Oct 2014 #35

Why, do you have something that shows that they washed it away before they had what they needed? cstanleytech Oct 2014 #37

And may I ask the same? Lars39 Oct 2014 #38

Well I would say no since standard practice is they collect what they need before they clean cstanleytech Oct 2014 #47

That police department has shown that they don't adhere to standard procedures Lars39 Oct 2014 #49

So are you saying they should have removed the body before collecting the evidence? cstanleytech Oct 2014 #52

<snort> Lars39 Oct 2014 #53

Good luck. nt cstanleytech Oct 2014 #55

Yea that is suspicious yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #57

What about police testimony? malaise Oct 2014 #28

Its not anymore reliable which again is why you need physical evidence rather than just the sworn cstanleytech Oct 2014 #33

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #67

Especially Black witness testimony..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #106

You mean to tell me . . . Brigid Oct 2014 #39

Sandwiches don't fire 9mm rounds. pintobean Oct 2014 #41

Aren't you just accepting (despite what witnesses(?) have commented) ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #68

Not even torpedos? MurrayDelph Oct 2014 #78

She's not a witness Travelman Oct 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Xyzse Oct 2014 #17

Was a gun found? 840high Oct 2014 #23

Yes pintobean Oct 2014 #25

Doesn't that sound a little suspect to you? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #76

How long should it take? pintobean Oct 2014 #80

Are you saying shell casings or the bullets were recovered ? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #83

I don't remember his exact wording pintobean Oct 2014 #87

If he said projectiles were recovered. scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #88

Here's his remarks. pintobean Oct 2014 #90

Okay I just watched it scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #93

With all the high profile stories of police brutality Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #95

As cops become more and more militaristic it won't be just the St. Louis community scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #97

I have to wonder if things have changed or if more people simple have cameras. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #128

"He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun" seveneyes Oct 2014 #3

"the man fired three rounds at the officer before his weapon jammed" Bonx Oct 2014 #65

when I was growing up onethatcares Oct 2014 #4

The chief said he is unaware of any video that captured the shooting Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #5

I'm kinda with you.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #20

Handcuffed on your stomach gets you two years exboyfil Oct 2014 #27

Who is responsible for putting dangerous weapons into the hands of these psychotics we valerief Oct 2014 #8

Another bullshit stop. blackspade Oct 2014 #9

Another one. beemer27 Oct 2014 #11

K&R Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #12

WTF is a "Pedestrian Check?" Walking while Black? NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #18

Was just going to ask the same thing. City Lights Oct 2014 #21

It applies to all those Living while Black (LWB) malaise Oct 2014 #31

"Stop-And-Frisk" Feral Child Oct 2014 #40

That seems to be a practice ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #69

I think they're about to find out in St. Louis Feral Child Oct 2014 #101

Aye I was wondering the same so checked google and came across this cstanleytech Oct 2014 #59

Does that apply to off-duty police officers, working as security guards? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #71

Not 100% sure but I think it just might. I know about a week or two ago I read cstanleytech Oct 2014 #79

A concealed firearm often gives a specific bulge. ieoeja Oct 2014 #61

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #70

Yeah but if he did have a gun this was at night scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #74

Umm streetlights? Car lights? Lights from a store? Lights from a billboard? cstanleytech Oct 2014 #81

We have street lights. pintobean Oct 2014 #86

It's a fishing expedtion scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #89

Someone is lying, based on the past I would have to say it is the PD. Rex Oct 2014 #36

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #45

If they recovered a gun, I'll go with the police on this one. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #75

I won't, committed no crime and was being chased by someone not in a police car. dilby Oct 2014 #82

...but was facing an unrelated gun charge, per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch brooklynite Oct 2014 #96

Which rent a cop had no idea about. dilby Oct 2014 #98

Do you have the link to that? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #99

Here brooklynite Oct 2014 #100

thanks scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #102

They were both on foot and the officer was in uniform. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #103

Can you tell if someone is in uniform at night with your back to them? dilby Oct 2014 #108

No one has eyes in tghe back of their head, the leos in that are don't deserve the benefit of the .. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #112

AMEN AND AMEN!!! Same thing happened to me as a teenager!!! No sign of LEO and chases uponit7771 Oct 2014 #111

At this point I would want more proof than just a weapon recovered being recently discharged scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #91

It's time to throw out all the police manuals and start all over again. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #84

My God, my developmentally disabled daughter has more common sense than the entire Ferguson, jwirr Oct 2014 #104

You might want to check your facts. pintobean Oct 2014 #105

So I see. But why do they always shoot to kill? When I was in college we talked about police who jwirr Oct 2014 #109

Because this is reality and not Hollywood. Travelman Oct 2014 #114

He was not busy shooting the officer. Also I'm an old lady and I do not remember a time when this jwirr Oct 2014 #115

I'm sorry, but you're simply not dealing with the facts. Travelman Oct 2014 #117

According to the police Matrosov Oct 2014 #119

Might be time for everyone here to review this tasty little morsel from our KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #120

The crash Unit harassed me and my friends. bravenak Oct 2014 #126

No, not according to eyewitnesses Travelman Oct 2014 #122

What I remember about the 70s and 80s is police brutality not shooting so many UNARMED people. jwirr Oct 2014 #121

This guy was not unarmed. Travelman Oct 2014 #123

So there were two incidents where he fired a gun at the police? jwirr Oct 2014 #124

AFAIK, he only actually *fired* last night Travelman Oct 2014 #127

You forgot one there. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #125

Shouldn't this be a simple investigation? GitRDun Oct 2014 #110

or the LEO did ID himself and began chasing 3 people in an unmarked while off duty. Same thing.. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #113

I'm a bit late to your thread. But your final comment in your original post KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #118