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mnhtnbb

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16. It was not a "corporate suit" who took Mr. Duncan's history and did the physical
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

in the ER when he first presented to Texas Presbyterian.

Go ahead and make fun of the suits--it's easy pickins' at DU--but the front line ER
nurses/docs are the ones who first screwed up. And it's not surprising. Have you
ever visited a busy ER of an 800+ bed hospital?

It doesn't operate like a movie. Who expected the VERY FIRST case of Ebola to walk
through their ER doors? Nobody. The hospitals at Nebraska and Emery were prepared...
meeting the Ebola patients who were transferred there from Africa. They knew what was
coming.


I'm not into laying blame, though, even though I retired as a "corporate suit", one with many
years of experience in a well known teaching hospital in Los Angeles, although my Master's
is in Hospital Administration--a 2 year graduate program at UCLA. It was, indeed, more
than a "course".

Guidelines for staffing and training are made by people with clinical expertise in EVERY
patient care department. Nurses make decisions about nurse staffing, and they do
the training. I'm not blaming the two nurses who have contracted Ebola because
they took care of Mr. Duncan. A lot of health care folks have died trying to take
care of Ebola patients in Africa. They are heroes. Mistakes happen. Lack of preparation
happens. Expectations are blown away.

I am not saying that I agree with the business model of providing health care in this country.
To speculate that things would have gone differently if Mr. Duncan had arrived at another hospital
in another state...or in another hospital in another country with universal health care, is useless.
It is imperative that we learn from the experience, and go forward.

I hope that both nurses recover.

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Corporate suits do not belong in hospitals. Warpy Oct 2014 #1
Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #2
Yeah but they can manage, isn't that all that's important? Autumn Oct 2014 #3
I recall that so well in hitech R&D. The "suits" had no fucken idea what was going on, and RKP5637 Oct 2014 #51
Excellent summation of the situation, Warpy. nt brer cat Oct 2014 #4
I'll bet they'd understand the language of a general strike by all RNs, LPNs and Nurse's Aides. I'm KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6
It was not a "corporate suit" who took Mr. Duncan's history and did the physical mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #16
It was a corporate suit who overruled the nursing supervisor and left him in the open ER for hours Warpy Oct 2014 #19
cite your sources, please. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #22
I haven't seen the info in your first paragraph. Chemisse Oct 2014 #23
ABC News Link: Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39
Were they TRYING to spread this disease!? Chemisse Oct 2014 #62
The cause, though, is far beyond the hospitals. This is what happens when the only political party jtuck004 Oct 2014 #17
Perfectly stated! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #18
Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2014 #20
Well said, as always!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #54
Well, IMHO it does qualify as a VERY MINOR outbreak. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #5
We're not done yet…not by a longshot. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #8
I get the general feeling you think a lot of yourself. Just my opinion. nt Logical Oct 2014 #32
I know what I know PCIntern Oct 2014 #33
No need to ignore, it is more entertaining reading your rants. nt Logical Oct 2014 #61
Well your comment about "not being done by a long shot" will be interesting to track nt Logical Oct 2014 #63
I didn't read the article that stated that the outbreak in Africa was over! PCIntern Oct 2014 #65
"IF." n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #14
Yep, but it's also a "cluster" HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #7
Funny, because they had outbreaks in the other countries PCIntern Oct 2014 #9
Proximity I suppose. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #11
More like a cluster f*ck VA_Jill Oct 2014 #12
Yes, I said that in there right at the top. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #13
Makes sense. An outbreak "over there" inspires action... Beartracks Oct 2014 #15
Many bureaucracies are Too Big To Not Fail superpatriotman Oct 2014 #10
Those are the very agencies, among many others, that have bore the brunt of 10 years of Doremus Oct 2014 #46
"Unlikely" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #21
have you watched the whistleblower nurse interview? about the biohazard suits magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
This is why we need a surgeon general to handle the PR and communication IronLionZion Oct 2014 #25
We have an Acting Surgeon General. 840high Oct 2014 #28
What's he doing? IronLionZion Oct 2014 #34
... Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #35
He's waiting on Reid 840high Oct 2014 #57
It's both - inability to grasp science, and manage the situation. Avalux Oct 2014 #26
agree!! oldandhappy Oct 2014 #27
What we have here is "ebolanoia" alarimer Oct 2014 #29
++++++++++++++++++++ uppityperson Oct 2014 #31
It's become a PANICDEMIC, sir. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #30
Taking the show-business out of.... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #36
I' would be certain that they have weighed the cost/benefit ratio PCIntern Oct 2014 #37
And despite the fear and trepidation... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #38
It's strange, though, that in a situation like this, everyone is castigated as being 'incompetent'. randome Oct 2014 #40
Which 'smart decisions" were they, pray tell? PCIntern Oct 2014 #41
It's random chance during the process. randome Oct 2014 #42
I understand your point entirely... PCIntern Oct 2014 #44
+1000 PADemD Oct 2014 #43
Ivory Coast closed their borders to the infected nations. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #45
So seal our borders to the affected nations. randome Oct 2014 #47
Have you ever heard of a little thing most travelers carry called a Passport? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #49
Sadly funny! Thanks! PCIntern Oct 2014 #50
Fair enough. But entry by sea has different requirements. randome Oct 2014 #53
You need a passport these days. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #60
+1...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 #64
Very frustrating, isn't it? PCIntern Oct 2014 #48
Is this happening, can it happen? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #52
Good National Geographic article on that... PCIntern Oct 2014 #55
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #56
I found it! Tracking a Serial Killer: Could Ebola Mutate to Become More Deadly? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #59
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