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Savannahmann

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45. Ivory Coast closed their borders to the infected nations.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 09:23 AM
Oct 2014

They are still sending what little help they can, but they are not letting anyone in. They closed their borders back in August.

First, isolate those who have the disease, or may have it. Public health lesson number one. You try not to wait until they are symptomatic, you do it immediately. But today, we have science that tells us that it's simply not possible that two caregivers could get the disease.

Honestly, I"m about ready to give the hell up on the Administration. Shutting down travel to the affected areas should have been response number one. It was for Mexico, and Belize.

Science tells us that the risk of infection is one in a thousand, or perhaps one in ten thousand. The math would seem to indicate that we have little to fear. But the results of that risk even if it is one in a hundred thousand are catastrophic.

By Catastrophic I mean people die from preventable causes. Right now, someone is researching the lawsuit. Right now, someone is sitting at a desk and has the gleem in their eye of massive payday. The Hospital is going to get sued, and so is the CDC. Two nurses got infected, and now more than 800 people are being notified that they have a slight, almost miniscule chance of getting sick too.

Risk and reward are calculations that belong in some things, but not public health. Every day that the insane course of action charted by the administration continues, the worse the Party will do in November. Republicans are on the populist side of yet another issue, with more than two thirds of our citizens wanting a travel ban. We sit on the crumbling edge of the cliff and tell everyone that science says that we're all totally safe, not to worry.

When events turn out that it wasn't totally safe, the first thing we do is blame the victim, like we're asshole sexists who blame victims for being raped.

Then when we point out that nobody has talked to the Nurse who got infected, then we admit it was a bit presumptuous to blame the victim, but we continue, she must have done something wrong, because she got it, and you can't get it unless you do something wrong.

To say I am disgusted is an understatement. Do you realize that all the Republicans have to say to get elected is that they believe we should institute a travel ban? FFS when the President says it's not an outbreak, when everyone knows it is, then we look like idiots.

So what are the definitions of the words? http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/d24.html

What is the difference between an outbreak, epidemic, and a pandemic?

An epidemic is a disease that affects many people at the same time, such as the flu. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's official definition of epidemic is: 'The occurrence of more cases of disease than expected in a given area or among a specific group of people over a particular period of time'. A pandemic is a very extensive epidemic, like a plague, that is prevalent in a country, continent, or the world. There is also the word endemic, which is a disease native to a people or region, which is regularly or constantly found among a people or specific region. The term outbreak describes the sudden rise in the incidence of a disease, especially a harmful one. An outbreak is characterized by a disease's bypassing of measures to control it. Often, the difference between these terms is determined by the percentage of deaths caused by the disease.


So out of curiousity. How many deaths do we need before we decide to categorize it as an outbreak. Because it looks to me like we have an outbreak when it bypassed the measures to control it and the Health Care Workers got the disease in a modern hospital.

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Corporate suits do not belong in hospitals. Warpy Oct 2014 #1
Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #2
Yeah but they can manage, isn't that all that's important? Autumn Oct 2014 #3
I recall that so well in hitech R&D. The "suits" had no fucken idea what was going on, and RKP5637 Oct 2014 #51
Excellent summation of the situation, Warpy. nt brer cat Oct 2014 #4
I'll bet they'd understand the language of a general strike by all RNs, LPNs and Nurse's Aides. I'm KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6
It was not a "corporate suit" who took Mr. Duncan's history and did the physical mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #16
It was a corporate suit who overruled the nursing supervisor and left him in the open ER for hours Warpy Oct 2014 #19
cite your sources, please. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #22
I haven't seen the info in your first paragraph. Chemisse Oct 2014 #23
ABC News Link: Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39
Were they TRYING to spread this disease!? Chemisse Oct 2014 #62
The cause, though, is far beyond the hospitals. This is what happens when the only political party jtuck004 Oct 2014 #17
Perfectly stated! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #18
Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2014 #20
Well said, as always!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #54
Well, IMHO it does qualify as a VERY MINOR outbreak. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #5
We're not done yet…not by a longshot. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #8
I get the general feeling you think a lot of yourself. Just my opinion. nt Logical Oct 2014 #32
I know what I know PCIntern Oct 2014 #33
No need to ignore, it is more entertaining reading your rants. nt Logical Oct 2014 #61
Well your comment about "not being done by a long shot" will be interesting to track nt Logical Oct 2014 #63
I didn't read the article that stated that the outbreak in Africa was over! PCIntern Oct 2014 #65
"IF." n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #14
Yep, but it's also a "cluster" HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #7
Funny, because they had outbreaks in the other countries PCIntern Oct 2014 #9
Proximity I suppose. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #11
More like a cluster f*ck VA_Jill Oct 2014 #12
Yes, I said that in there right at the top. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #13
Makes sense. An outbreak "over there" inspires action... Beartracks Oct 2014 #15
Many bureaucracies are Too Big To Not Fail superpatriotman Oct 2014 #10
Those are the very agencies, among many others, that have bore the brunt of 10 years of Doremus Oct 2014 #46
"Unlikely" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #21
have you watched the whistleblower nurse interview? about the biohazard suits magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
This is why we need a surgeon general to handle the PR and communication IronLionZion Oct 2014 #25
We have an Acting Surgeon General. 840high Oct 2014 #28
What's he doing? IronLionZion Oct 2014 #34
... Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #35
He's waiting on Reid 840high Oct 2014 #57
It's both - inability to grasp science, and manage the situation. Avalux Oct 2014 #26
agree!! oldandhappy Oct 2014 #27
What we have here is "ebolanoia" alarimer Oct 2014 #29
++++++++++++++++++++ uppityperson Oct 2014 #31
It's become a PANICDEMIC, sir. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #30
Taking the show-business out of.... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #36
I' would be certain that they have weighed the cost/benefit ratio PCIntern Oct 2014 #37
And despite the fear and trepidation... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #38
It's strange, though, that in a situation like this, everyone is castigated as being 'incompetent'. randome Oct 2014 #40
Which 'smart decisions" were they, pray tell? PCIntern Oct 2014 #41
It's random chance during the process. randome Oct 2014 #42
I understand your point entirely... PCIntern Oct 2014 #44
+1000 PADemD Oct 2014 #43
Ivory Coast closed their borders to the infected nations. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #45
So seal our borders to the affected nations. randome Oct 2014 #47
Have you ever heard of a little thing most travelers carry called a Passport? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #49
Sadly funny! Thanks! PCIntern Oct 2014 #50
Fair enough. But entry by sea has different requirements. randome Oct 2014 #53
You need a passport these days. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #60
+1...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 #64
Very frustrating, isn't it? PCIntern Oct 2014 #48
Is this happening, can it happen? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #52
Good National Geographic article on that... PCIntern Oct 2014 #55
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #56
I found it! Tracking a Serial Killer: Could Ebola Mutate to Become More Deadly? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #59
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