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In reply to the discussion: My God, I almost can't believe it! [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)60. You need a passport these days.
If you haven't left the national boundary lately, you must have a passport.
But for the sake of argument, let us say that the passport idea is only 90% effective at screening out people who have been in the affected area. Let's pretend that it's like the good old days when you could travel from San Diego to Tijuana for lunch, and be back without anything but a Hi to the guy at the gate. Let's even agree that it does not protect against people who came into contact with those who might meet someone from the affected areas, and potentially be infected.
A 90% reduction in risk is a hell of a thing. Even if it was only a 50% reduction, that is thousands and then by extension tens of thousands of people not at risk.
Apollo 11 and 12 crews spent time in isolation, because while the risk of some space born disease was a one in a million chance, the results of such a disease could wipe out a significant portion of the population. Look at the situation now, a thousand people just from the activities of two nurses. More than 800 alone from the flight. Sure, we're assured by the same people who told us there was no risk of infection that only ten or so actually have a slightly higher risk, but look at the math on that. From one, to two more, to potentially ten, to potentially hundreds.
We have the mechanism, it's already in place. We do lots of things that are not 100% effective. We spray for insects to prevent everything from roaches to termites. It's not 100% effective, but we do it anyway because the results are horrid if we do nothing. Lysol kills less than 100% of the germs, but we use it to do just that. No disinfectant is 100% but still we use them to clean surgical suites. We may not be able to eliminate all of the risk, but we damn sure bust our asses to do what we can. Hospitals get sued if they don't take every precaution that is available to prevent the spread of infection.
We have the mechanism, and it would take two words from one man to make it happen. All President Obama would have to do is discuss this with his advisors, and then say those two magical words. "Do it." He might have to sign a piece of paper with more than that, but it would be done.
That is the reason we have an executive based Governmental system. So that one individual can issue instructions when time is of the essence. He wouldn't need Congress, he could call them back and ask for more money, but realistically, he can issue the order today and reduce the risk by more than 90%. Every hour he delays in this action is one in which his esteem falls, and every hour the Democratic Party is silent in demanding this action is one in which we lose supporters by the hundreds.
But for the sake of argument, let us say that the passport idea is only 90% effective at screening out people who have been in the affected area. Let's pretend that it's like the good old days when you could travel from San Diego to Tijuana for lunch, and be back without anything but a Hi to the guy at the gate. Let's even agree that it does not protect against people who came into contact with those who might meet someone from the affected areas, and potentially be infected.
A 90% reduction in risk is a hell of a thing. Even if it was only a 50% reduction, that is thousands and then by extension tens of thousands of people not at risk.
Apollo 11 and 12 crews spent time in isolation, because while the risk of some space born disease was a one in a million chance, the results of such a disease could wipe out a significant portion of the population. Look at the situation now, a thousand people just from the activities of two nurses. More than 800 alone from the flight. Sure, we're assured by the same people who told us there was no risk of infection that only ten or so actually have a slightly higher risk, but look at the math on that. From one, to two more, to potentially ten, to potentially hundreds.
We have the mechanism, it's already in place. We do lots of things that are not 100% effective. We spray for insects to prevent everything from roaches to termites. It's not 100% effective, but we do it anyway because the results are horrid if we do nothing. Lysol kills less than 100% of the germs, but we use it to do just that. No disinfectant is 100% but still we use them to clean surgical suites. We may not be able to eliminate all of the risk, but we damn sure bust our asses to do what we can. Hospitals get sued if they don't take every precaution that is available to prevent the spread of infection.
We have the mechanism, and it would take two words from one man to make it happen. All President Obama would have to do is discuss this with his advisors, and then say those two magical words. "Do it." He might have to sign a piece of paper with more than that, but it would be done.
That is the reason we have an executive based Governmental system. So that one individual can issue instructions when time is of the essence. He wouldn't need Congress, he could call them back and ask for more money, but realistically, he can issue the order today and reduce the risk by more than 90%. Every hour he delays in this action is one in which his esteem falls, and every hour the Democratic Party is silent in demanding this action is one in which we lose supporters by the hundreds.
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I recall that so well in hitech R&D. The "suits" had no fucken idea what was going on, and
RKP5637
Oct 2014
#51
I'll bet they'd understand the language of a general strike by all RNs, LPNs and Nurse's Aides. I'm
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#6
It was not a "corporate suit" who took Mr. Duncan's history and did the physical
mnhtnbb
Oct 2014
#16
It was a corporate suit who overruled the nursing supervisor and left him in the open ER for hours
Warpy
Oct 2014
#19
The cause, though, is far beyond the hospitals. This is what happens when the only political party
jtuck004
Oct 2014
#17
Well your comment about "not being done by a long shot" will be interesting to track nt
Logical
Oct 2014
#63
Those are the very agencies, among many others, that have bore the brunt of 10 years of
Doremus
Oct 2014
#46
have you watched the whistleblower nurse interview? about the biohazard suits
magical thyme
Oct 2014
#24
It's strange, though, that in a situation like this, everyone is castigated as being 'incompetent'.
randome
Oct 2014
#40
Have you ever heard of a little thing most travelers carry called a Passport?
Savannahmann
Oct 2014
#49
I found it! Tracking a Serial Killer: Could Ebola Mutate to Become More Deadly?
RKP5637
Oct 2014
#59