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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
60. You need a passport these days.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014
If you haven't left the national boundary lately, you must have a passport.

But for the sake of argument, let us say that the passport idea is only 90% effective at screening out people who have been in the affected area. Let's pretend that it's like the good old days when you could travel from San Diego to Tijuana for lunch, and be back without anything but a Hi to the guy at the gate. Let's even agree that it does not protect against people who came into contact with those who might meet someone from the affected areas, and potentially be infected.

A 90% reduction in risk is a hell of a thing. Even if it was only a 50% reduction, that is thousands and then by extension tens of thousands of people not at risk.

Apollo 11 and 12 crews spent time in isolation, because while the risk of some space born disease was a one in a million chance, the results of such a disease could wipe out a significant portion of the population. Look at the situation now, a thousand people just from the activities of two nurses. More than 800 alone from the flight. Sure, we're assured by the same people who told us there was no risk of infection that only ten or so actually have a slightly higher risk, but look at the math on that. From one, to two more, to potentially ten, to potentially hundreds.

We have the mechanism, it's already in place. We do lots of things that are not 100% effective. We spray for insects to prevent everything from roaches to termites. It's not 100% effective, but we do it anyway because the results are horrid if we do nothing. Lysol kills less than 100% of the germs, but we use it to do just that. No disinfectant is 100% but still we use them to clean surgical suites. We may not be able to eliminate all of the risk, but we damn sure bust our asses to do what we can. Hospitals get sued if they don't take every precaution that is available to prevent the spread of infection.

We have the mechanism, and it would take two words from one man to make it happen. All President Obama would have to do is discuss this with his advisors, and then say those two magical words. "Do it." He might have to sign a piece of paper with more than that, but it would be done.

That is the reason we have an executive based Governmental system. So that one individual can issue instructions when time is of the essence. He wouldn't need Congress, he could call them back and ask for more money, but realistically, he can issue the order today and reduce the risk by more than 90%. Every hour he delays in this action is one in which his esteem falls, and every hour the Democratic Party is silent in demanding this action is one in which we lose supporters by the hundreds.

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Corporate suits do not belong in hospitals. Warpy Oct 2014 #1
Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #2
Yeah but they can manage, isn't that all that's important? Autumn Oct 2014 #3
I recall that so well in hitech R&D. The "suits" had no fucken idea what was going on, and RKP5637 Oct 2014 #51
Excellent summation of the situation, Warpy. nt brer cat Oct 2014 #4
I'll bet they'd understand the language of a general strike by all RNs, LPNs and Nurse's Aides. I'm KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6
It was not a "corporate suit" who took Mr. Duncan's history and did the physical mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #16
It was a corporate suit who overruled the nursing supervisor and left him in the open ER for hours Warpy Oct 2014 #19
cite your sources, please. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #22
I haven't seen the info in your first paragraph. Chemisse Oct 2014 #23
ABC News Link: Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39
Were they TRYING to spread this disease!? Chemisse Oct 2014 #62
The cause, though, is far beyond the hospitals. This is what happens when the only political party jtuck004 Oct 2014 #17
Perfectly stated! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #18
Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2014 #20
Well said, as always!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #54
Well, IMHO it does qualify as a VERY MINOR outbreak. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #5
We're not done yet…not by a longshot. nt PCIntern Oct 2014 #8
I get the general feeling you think a lot of yourself. Just my opinion. nt Logical Oct 2014 #32
I know what I know PCIntern Oct 2014 #33
No need to ignore, it is more entertaining reading your rants. nt Logical Oct 2014 #61
Well your comment about "not being done by a long shot" will be interesting to track nt Logical Oct 2014 #63
I didn't read the article that stated that the outbreak in Africa was over! PCIntern Oct 2014 #65
"IF." n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #14
Yep, but it's also a "cluster" HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #7
Funny, because they had outbreaks in the other countries PCIntern Oct 2014 #9
Proximity I suppose. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #11
More like a cluster f*ck VA_Jill Oct 2014 #12
Yes, I said that in there right at the top. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #13
Makes sense. An outbreak "over there" inspires action... Beartracks Oct 2014 #15
Many bureaucracies are Too Big To Not Fail superpatriotman Oct 2014 #10
Those are the very agencies, among many others, that have bore the brunt of 10 years of Doremus Oct 2014 #46
"Unlikely" OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #21
have you watched the whistleblower nurse interview? about the biohazard suits magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
This is why we need a surgeon general to handle the PR and communication IronLionZion Oct 2014 #25
We have an Acting Surgeon General. 840high Oct 2014 #28
What's he doing? IronLionZion Oct 2014 #34
... Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #35
He's waiting on Reid 840high Oct 2014 #57
It's both - inability to grasp science, and manage the situation. Avalux Oct 2014 #26
agree!! oldandhappy Oct 2014 #27
What we have here is "ebolanoia" alarimer Oct 2014 #29
++++++++++++++++++++ uppityperson Oct 2014 #31
It's become a PANICDEMIC, sir. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #30
Taking the show-business out of.... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #36
I' would be certain that they have weighed the cost/benefit ratio PCIntern Oct 2014 #37
And despite the fear and trepidation... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #38
It's strange, though, that in a situation like this, everyone is castigated as being 'incompetent'. randome Oct 2014 #40
Which 'smart decisions" were they, pray tell? PCIntern Oct 2014 #41
It's random chance during the process. randome Oct 2014 #42
I understand your point entirely... PCIntern Oct 2014 #44
+1000 PADemD Oct 2014 #43
Ivory Coast closed their borders to the infected nations. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #45
So seal our borders to the affected nations. randome Oct 2014 #47
Have you ever heard of a little thing most travelers carry called a Passport? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #49
Sadly funny! Thanks! PCIntern Oct 2014 #50
Fair enough. But entry by sea has different requirements. randome Oct 2014 #53
You need a passport these days. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #60
+1...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2014 #64
Very frustrating, isn't it? PCIntern Oct 2014 #48
Is this happening, can it happen? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #52
Good National Geographic article on that... PCIntern Oct 2014 #55
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #56
I found it! Tracking a Serial Killer: Could Ebola Mutate to Become More Deadly? RKP5637 Oct 2014 #59
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