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AngryAmish

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12. Can you name a place on earth where there is little ethnic tension?

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:58 AM

Oct 2014

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China? Nope, the Han keep everyone under their thumb.

Russia? There is this little war in Ukraine, Chechnia has been a thorn in their side for hundreds of years. Never mind the Tartar Yoke.

India? Caste system, etc.

Iraq?

Isreal?

South Africa?

The Americas?

You get my point. If one travels the world one figures out pretty fast that the default human condition is racism. Humans have a strong in-group preference. That is human nature.

It can only be fought with education. And you have to really fight against it.

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An American Warden Visited A Norwegian Prison, And He Couldn't Believe What He Saw [View all] xchrom Oct 2014 OP

video... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #1

thanks xchrom Oct 2014 #2

you're welcome yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #28

Norway, 70 per 100,000 citizens in prison. USA, 700+ per 100,000 Sunlei Oct 2014 #3

IMO, only violent crimes and serious white collar crimes Calista241 Oct 2014 #41

our prison system is messed up. Local police, local govs 'fine' the heck out of some persons. Sunlei Oct 2014 #45

+1 n/t iscooterliberally Oct 2014 #53

I'd say something is wrong with American "Justice" System 2banon Oct 2014 #72

Profit tecelote Oct 2014 #94

Yes. And especially there should be no such thing as "Private Prisons." It's Cal33 Oct 2014 #99

and something is wrong with American's behavior. nt ladjf Oct 2014 #102

The problem is the evolution to making the prison avebury Oct 2014 #122

Scandinavia is mostly civilized . . us? annabanana Oct 2014 #4

Not as much as you'd like to believe, I'm afraid. whathehell Oct 2014 #39

whathehell Diclotican Oct 2014 #76

I appreciate your honesty, Diclotican. whathehell Oct 2014 #96

The United States is the most uncivilized country in the western world AZ Progressive Oct 2014 #87

I agree. Just take a look at the behavior of the Tea Partiers -- how much more primitive and Cal33 Oct 2014 #104

They do. Like pigs in swill. hifiguy Oct 2014 #123

The most salient information is missing here.. annabanana Oct 2014 #5

Well... TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #10

"Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, at 20 percent. So what is working here? Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #20

At 20% Norway is recidividm rate is one of the lowest in the world happyslug Oct 2014 #21

20% in two years vs 50-60% in US spike91nz Oct 2014 #24

annabanana Diclotican Oct 2014 #91

If the purpose is truly reform rather than revenge. . annabanana Oct 2014 #126

annabanana Diclotican Oct 2014 #127

You see, Norway is filled with Norweigians. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #6

Diversity doesn't necessarily need to be divisive. chrisa Oct 2014 #7

I agree. redruddyred Oct 2014 #16

Diversity does increase conflict, but it is the resolution of that conflict ... aikoaiko Oct 2014 #17

Amen.... daleanime Oct 2014 #31

The kind of diversity society can have today is unusual The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #54

It's America's puritanical background AZ Progressive Oct 2014 #86

You are correct. The Puritans believed in punishment and executions -- beginning with Cal33 Oct 2014 #105

So you are implying that racism and bigotry are natural????? fasttense Oct 2014 #9

Can you name a place on earth where there is little ethnic tension? AngryAmish Oct 2014 #12

Racism and bigotry tooeyeten Oct 2014 #19

Choices they may be, but they seem to have been hifiguy Oct 2014 #46

Institutionalized tooeyeten Oct 2014 #50

As long as capitalism allows a handful of people to have great wealth while the majority fasttense Oct 2014 #113

Your point is intersting but human tribalism hifiguy Oct 2014 #115

Amazingly tooeyeten Oct 2014 #130

Exactly fasttense Oct 2014 #110

I can name a place where the inhabitants were all of the same race, and yet Cal33 Oct 2014 #108

The reason we have ethnic tensions is because the uber rich want it that way. fasttense Oct 2014 #109

What you say is true, more so in this country where more people can scramble for money by hook and Cal33 Oct 2014 #112

Yes, it is, a person who attacks YOU can NOT be you... happyslug Oct 2014 #14

NO Racism IS NOT innate and never was. fasttense Oct 2014 #114

By "Innate" I mean something internal happyslug Oct 2014 #129

Wrong place for my reply. happyslug Oct 2014 #131

I like point to the study that brought 200 children that did not know each other to a park. world wide wally Oct 2014 #26

Life is not 200 kids in a park AngryAmish Oct 2014 #35

In other words, you agree that racism "emerges" and children are not born that way world wide wally Oct 2014 #36

Sexual attraction and behavior emerges too AngryAmish Oct 2014 #38

Read This Chico Man Oct 2014 #95

Racism and bigotry are part of a long-standing, highly effective divide-and-conquer strategy RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #74

Racial Identity Chico Man Oct 2014 #98

Very true. But that doesn't guarantee bigotry RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #107

Spot on. hifiguy Oct 2014 #124

Exactly right. fasttense Oct 2014 #116

There is a little known situation about Norway: The original natives there were an Cal33 Oct 2014 #106

BS Starry Messenger Oct 2014 #15

Excellent point JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #18

After this, therefore because of this...? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #27

The percentage of foreign-born residents is higher in Norway (13.2%) than in the US (11.4%) so pampango Oct 2014 #32

Norway has a diverse population Yavin4 Oct 2014 #40

Holy Crap. I don't think a single person in favor of ethnic cleansing throughout history didn't say Number23 Oct 2014 #88

Wrong, China is filled with Chinese people Rex Oct 2014 #117

From the 'Good Shepherd.': PeoViejo Oct 2014 #8

This wouldn't work here... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #11

No useful public purpose is ever served by abuse of a captive. nt bemildred Oct 2014 #13

"38 Years in Attica." PeoViejo Oct 2014 #22

Norway is a more advance civilization. Yavin4 Oct 2014 #23

Put a bit more generally, Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #29

Ding, ding, ding! hifiguy Oct 2014 #47

What's more. The absence of a sufficient safety net breeds desperation RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #79

And Norwegians don't live under the thumbs of religious lunatics like we do. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #121

Perhaps it's because... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #25

Not even public prisons in the US have it nearly that good NobodyHere Oct 2014 #56

You have a point. Helen Borg Oct 2014 #59

Almost everyone who enters prison leaves prison...how do you want your ex-prisoners, even more Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #30

Fred Sanders Diclotican Oct 2014 #92

I believe Norway is a model nation, a way to run the entire world with compassion and intelligence. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #97

Well said, Fred Sanders. With its policies on taxation, regulation, unions, safety net, trade and immigration pampango Oct 2014 #118

Fred Sanders Diclotican Oct 2014 #120

"Everyone is leaving ... prison one day," Stromnes said. "And we have to focus on life afterward." Turbineguy Oct 2014 #33

My guess is not at all, or barely, at least. alarimer Oct 2014 #58

I agree this is better. But we would need to phase it in. stevenleser Oct 2014 #34

The US is much more violent than Norwegians liberal N proud Oct 2014 #37

The U.S.' crime rate may be 87% higher than Norway's but our incarceration rate is 880% higher. pampango Oct 2014 #42

He asks "you have chosen to build your prison among mountains and trees?" yet KurtNYC Oct 2014 #43

Americans don't think; we feel. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #44

There's a simple reason for that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #48

And interesting point of view, but the Catholic Church until 1861 held civil power and executed Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #51

So did the rest of Europe, What we call Prison is an American inventions starting in 1829. happyslug Oct 2014 #55

I think your history is a bit off, there. malthaussen Oct 2014 #67

“If this is the way Queen Victoria treats her prisoners, she doesn't deserve to have any.” Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #49

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."--Dostoyevsky Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #52

Surely one of the greatest truths ever written or spoken...barely mentioned in a nation consumed Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #119

I have to ask NobodyHere Oct 2014 #57

If it meant non-violent offenders got to live in similar conditions, then I'd put up with it. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #61

I wish more people felt the same way you do NobodyHere Oct 2014 #64

The fact that they don't probably explains, in part, why our violent crime rate is so high nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #65

Hmmm... 2naSalit Oct 2014 #85

I know they do. I was talking about average citizens. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #90

I support that which is effective lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #69

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #80

Full episode here Nordicblue Oct 2014 #60

If the medical care and food is good madville Oct 2014 #62

I bet they also don't have the gang problems in that prisons like we do scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #63

scarystuffyo Diclotican Oct 2014 #128

Attica? Oh, wait, only 38 years. malthaussen Oct 2014 #66

In the US, profit motives are aligned with negative outcomes. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #68

Norway recidivism 20%, U.S. recidivism 52%. valerief Oct 2014 #70

I bet you its largely because the US prisons are largely run with the motto of cstanleytech Oct 2014 #71

Incarceration in the U.S. is an industry. You've got your for-profit prisons and valerief Oct 2014 #73

xchrom Diclotican Oct 2014 #75

Great job… Keep them in surrounding that are as normal as possible... midnight Oct 2014 #77

What savages we've become in America. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #78

Become? frazzled Oct 2014 #82

great film. tcm just had a Paul muni fest that included that one Doctor_J Oct 2014 #83

"I steal" frazzled Oct 2014 #100

The difference between the USA and Norway is that the Norwegians have accepted the less savory parts freshwest Oct 2014 #81

freshwest Diclotican Oct 2014 #93

so true. half the population here is still vested in denying slavery noiretextatique Oct 2014 #125

basically he is shocked that it's ok to treat prisoners with respect Heather MC Oct 2014 #84

If we had prisons like that LE would stop targeting Black people to stop and identify Kalidurga Oct 2014 #89

I think the difference is in the mindset Bettie Oct 2014 #101

They don't make human centipedes out of their prisoners over there? Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #103

Amazing! Thanks for sharing! n/t fredamae Oct 2014 #111