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The2ndWheel

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54. The kind of diversity society can have today is unusual

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 12:54 PM

Oct 2014

Are you saying every type of diversity is a chance at a new experience?

Diversity is diverse. Diversity is messy. Some can see it as a divider, others can see it as a new experience, others somewhere in between.

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An American Warden Visited A Norwegian Prison, And He Couldn't Believe What He Saw [View all] xchrom Oct 2014 OP

video... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #1

thanks xchrom Oct 2014 #2

you're welcome yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #28

Norway, 70 per 100,000 citizens in prison. USA, 700+ per 100,000 Sunlei Oct 2014 #3

IMO, only violent crimes and serious white collar crimes Calista241 Oct 2014 #41

our prison system is messed up. Local police, local govs 'fine' the heck out of some persons. Sunlei Oct 2014 #45

+1 n/t iscooterliberally Oct 2014 #53

I'd say something is wrong with American "Justice" System 2banon Oct 2014 #72

Profit tecelote Oct 2014 #94

Yes. And especially there should be no such thing as "Private Prisons." It's Cal33 Oct 2014 #99

and something is wrong with American's behavior. nt ladjf Oct 2014 #102

The problem is the evolution to making the prison avebury Oct 2014 #122

Scandinavia is mostly civilized . . us? annabanana Oct 2014 #4

Not as much as you'd like to believe, I'm afraid. whathehell Oct 2014 #39

whathehell Diclotican Oct 2014 #76

I appreciate your honesty, Diclotican. whathehell Oct 2014 #96

The United States is the most uncivilized country in the western world AZ Progressive Oct 2014 #87

I agree. Just take a look at the behavior of the Tea Partiers -- how much more primitive and Cal33 Oct 2014 #104

They do. Like pigs in swill. hifiguy Oct 2014 #123

The most salient information is missing here.. annabanana Oct 2014 #5

Well... TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #10

"Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, at 20 percent. So what is working here? Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #20

At 20% Norway is recidividm rate is one of the lowest in the world happyslug Oct 2014 #21

20% in two years vs 50-60% in US spike91nz Oct 2014 #24

annabanana Diclotican Oct 2014 #91

If the purpose is truly reform rather than revenge. . annabanana Oct 2014 #126

annabanana Diclotican Oct 2014 #127

You see, Norway is filled with Norweigians. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #6

Diversity doesn't necessarily need to be divisive. chrisa Oct 2014 #7

I agree. redruddyred Oct 2014 #16

Diversity does increase conflict, but it is the resolution of that conflict ... aikoaiko Oct 2014 #17

Amen.... daleanime Oct 2014 #31

The kind of diversity society can have today is unusual The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #54

It's America's puritanical background AZ Progressive Oct 2014 #86

You are correct. The Puritans believed in punishment and executions -- beginning with Cal33 Oct 2014 #105

So you are implying that racism and bigotry are natural????? fasttense Oct 2014 #9

Can you name a place on earth where there is little ethnic tension? AngryAmish Oct 2014 #12

Racism and bigotry tooeyeten Oct 2014 #19

Choices they may be, but they seem to have been hifiguy Oct 2014 #46

Institutionalized tooeyeten Oct 2014 #50

As long as capitalism allows a handful of people to have great wealth while the majority fasttense Oct 2014 #113

Your point is intersting but human tribalism hifiguy Oct 2014 #115

Amazingly tooeyeten Oct 2014 #130

Exactly fasttense Oct 2014 #110

I can name a place where the inhabitants were all of the same race, and yet Cal33 Oct 2014 #108

The reason we have ethnic tensions is because the uber rich want it that way. fasttense Oct 2014 #109

What you say is true, more so in this country where more people can scramble for money by hook and Cal33 Oct 2014 #112

Yes, it is, a person who attacks YOU can NOT be you... happyslug Oct 2014 #14

NO Racism IS NOT innate and never was. fasttense Oct 2014 #114

By "Innate" I mean something internal happyslug Oct 2014 #129

Wrong place for my reply. happyslug Oct 2014 #131

I like point to the study that brought 200 children that did not know each other to a park. world wide wally Oct 2014 #26

Life is not 200 kids in a park AngryAmish Oct 2014 #35

In other words, you agree that racism "emerges" and children are not born that way world wide wally Oct 2014 #36

Sexual attraction and behavior emerges too AngryAmish Oct 2014 #38

Read This Chico Man Oct 2014 #95

Racism and bigotry are part of a long-standing, highly effective divide-and-conquer strategy RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #74

Racial Identity Chico Man Oct 2014 #98

Very true. But that doesn't guarantee bigotry RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #107

Spot on. hifiguy Oct 2014 #124

Exactly right. fasttense Oct 2014 #116

There is a little known situation about Norway: The original natives there were an Cal33 Oct 2014 #106

BS Starry Messenger Oct 2014 #15

Excellent point JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #18

After this, therefore because of this...? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #27

The percentage of foreign-born residents is higher in Norway (13.2%) than in the US (11.4%) so pampango Oct 2014 #32

Norway has a diverse population Yavin4 Oct 2014 #40

Holy Crap. I don't think a single person in favor of ethnic cleansing throughout history didn't say Number23 Oct 2014 #88

Wrong, China is filled with Chinese people Rex Oct 2014 #117

From the 'Good Shepherd.': PeoViejo Oct 2014 #8

This wouldn't work here... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #11

No useful public purpose is ever served by abuse of a captive. nt bemildred Oct 2014 #13

"38 Years in Attica." PeoViejo Oct 2014 #22

Norway is a more advance civilization. Yavin4 Oct 2014 #23

Put a bit more generally, Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #29

Ding, ding, ding! hifiguy Oct 2014 #47

What's more. The absence of a sufficient safety net breeds desperation RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #79

And Norwegians don't live under the thumbs of religious lunatics like we do. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #121

Perhaps it's because... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #25

Not even public prisons in the US have it nearly that good NobodyHere Oct 2014 #56

You have a point. Helen Borg Oct 2014 #59

Almost everyone who enters prison leaves prison...how do you want your ex-prisoners, even more Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #30

Fred Sanders Diclotican Oct 2014 #92

I believe Norway is a model nation, a way to run the entire world with compassion and intelligence. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #97

Well said, Fred Sanders. With its policies on taxation, regulation, unions, safety net, trade and immigration pampango Oct 2014 #118

Fred Sanders Diclotican Oct 2014 #120

"Everyone is leaving ... prison one day," Stromnes said. "And we have to focus on life afterward." Turbineguy Oct 2014 #33

My guess is not at all, or barely, at least. alarimer Oct 2014 #58

I agree this is better. But we would need to phase it in. stevenleser Oct 2014 #34

The US is much more violent than Norwegians liberal N proud Oct 2014 #37

The U.S.' crime rate may be 87% higher than Norway's but our incarceration rate is 880% higher. pampango Oct 2014 #42

He asks "you have chosen to build your prison among mountains and trees?" yet KurtNYC Oct 2014 #43

Americans don't think; we feel. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #44

There's a simple reason for that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #48

And interesting point of view, but the Catholic Church until 1861 held civil power and executed Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #51

So did the rest of Europe, What we call Prison is an American inventions starting in 1829. happyslug Oct 2014 #55

I think your history is a bit off, there. malthaussen Oct 2014 #67

“If this is the way Queen Victoria treats her prisoners, she doesn't deserve to have any.” Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #49

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."--Dostoyevsky Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #52

Surely one of the greatest truths ever written or spoken...barely mentioned in a nation consumed Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #119

I have to ask NobodyHere Oct 2014 #57

If it meant non-violent offenders got to live in similar conditions, then I'd put up with it. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #61

I wish more people felt the same way you do NobodyHere Oct 2014 #64

The fact that they don't probably explains, in part, why our violent crime rate is so high nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #65

Hmmm... 2naSalit Oct 2014 #85

I know they do. I was talking about average citizens. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #90

I support that which is effective lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #69

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #80

Full episode here Nordicblue Oct 2014 #60

If the medical care and food is good madville Oct 2014 #62

I bet they also don't have the gang problems in that prisons like we do scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #63

scarystuffyo Diclotican Oct 2014 #128

Attica? Oh, wait, only 38 years. malthaussen Oct 2014 #66

In the US, profit motives are aligned with negative outcomes. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #68

Norway recidivism 20%, U.S. recidivism 52%. valerief Oct 2014 #70

I bet you its largely because the US prisons are largely run with the motto of cstanleytech Oct 2014 #71

Incarceration in the U.S. is an industry. You've got your for-profit prisons and valerief Oct 2014 #73

xchrom Diclotican Oct 2014 #75

Great job… Keep them in surrounding that are as normal as possible... midnight Oct 2014 #77

What savages we've become in America. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #78

Become? frazzled Oct 2014 #82

great film. tcm just had a Paul muni fest that included that one Doctor_J Oct 2014 #83

"I steal" frazzled Oct 2014 #100

The difference between the USA and Norway is that the Norwegians have accepted the less savory parts freshwest Oct 2014 #81

freshwest Diclotican Oct 2014 #93

so true. half the population here is still vested in denying slavery noiretextatique Oct 2014 #125

basically he is shocked that it's ok to treat prisoners with respect Heather MC Oct 2014 #84

If we had prisons like that LE would stop targeting Black people to stop and identify Kalidurga Oct 2014 #89

I think the difference is in the mindset Bettie Oct 2014 #101

They don't make human centipedes out of their prisoners over there? Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #103

Amazing! Thanks for sharing! n/t fredamae Oct 2014 #111