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Savannahmann

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21. Wow you haven't been paying attention lately have you?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:36 AM
Oct 2014

I mention that because there were a lot of discussions lately about traditional dem supporters just staying home. I highlighted one just yesterday, here's the link to the news story.

Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me five times, what do you expect us to do? Obama and the Democrats who supported and encouraged him have little credibility among Latino voters. Obama may have done more to suppress the Latino vote through broken promises than any hostile action taken by the Republicans.


In the meantime, the handful of non total asshole Republicans you mention, are making inroads, and making them look good, while we look inept, or worse, unconcerned.

Let's take the Latino question. President Obama made a big bet, the bet was that he could force the Republicans into taking action if he threatened to take unilateral executive action on Immigration. Instead of folding, the Republicans called his bet. He had to lay his cards on the table. He had to back up his threat.

In the mean time, Democrats were screaming not to do it because they realized by the end of the summer that this was going to be a tough campaign season. So instead of taking the action promised, President Obama sat and waited in order to gain a handful of the Racist votes. I said at the time, that he would not do it, not then, and not in November. Because states like Georgia are going to have runoff elections, in Georgia that takes place in January. We don't want to cut Michelle Nunn's throat do we?

So time goes by, and the President says he'll act after the election, but he won't. The Latino community knows it. They've been lied to how many times? Now, if he does take action in November, which I don't think he will, then he looks like a coward for not doing it before, and instead of being grateful, the Latino population thinks they've been thrown a bone when it couldn't cost President Obama anything. They will be looking at it like table scraps.

Come January, when the last of the runoff elections are over, I don't think President Obama will do anything either. Because that is the traditional start of the "exploratory committee" season. When people start talking about how they are going to run for President. Do you think that Hillary will not get on the phone and beg the White House not to do something that will be an anchor on her campaign for the entire year? I'm betting she will, because she's already setting herself up for the more Conservative and the inevitability arguments are cranking up full throttle.

Look at the Polls. We are in serious danger of losing the Senate. NY Times says 68% probability that Republicans will win. They aren't alone. Daily Kos, Huffington Post, 538, and all of the polling firms say the same thing. The question now is if the Republicans will get fifty one seats, or fifty two.

Here's the dirty little secret, the Republicans want President Obama to take unilateral action. That way they can have the hot heads like King of New York out railing against it, while others start the outreach to the Latino community, and siphon off even more of our support. The Hot heads shore up the support with the far right, while the others create inroads to the community.

More proof? OK, but you might not like it.

#t=51

The numbers and types of messages like that are growing and expanding. If we do nothing, we will get nothing in return.

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One small but important clarification .... pkdu Oct 2014 #1
I don't know from 'many', or whether they have to be 'young' to disapprove Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #3
Completely agree...the raw number is used to make candidates move "right" nt pkdu Oct 2014 #5
That's fine customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #4
Agreed . We need same or better turnout...heck , I'm resigned (too late for this election)... pkdu Oct 2014 #7
"we need those who turned out in 2008 and 2012 to come out again." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #12
I really wish they'd actually ask 'why'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #2
Agreed. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #13
The poll also had this analysis, contrary to this one. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #6
Aw man... calimary Oct 2014 #8
Offshoring good paying jobs and burdening them with massive student loans abelenkpe Oct 2014 #9
that poll sounds like utter nonsense virtualobserver Oct 2014 #10
Perhaps. Perhaps indeed Savannahmann Oct 2014 #16
How Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2014 #17
You should have looked at some of the links Savannahmann Oct 2014 #18
So Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2014 #20
Wow you haven't been paying attention lately have you? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #21
Problem is democrats are not reaching out joeglow3 Nov 2014 #33
there are always AA conservatives virtualobserver Oct 2014 #22
That's faintly horrifying Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #11
Not this Millennial. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #14
+++ marions ghost Oct 2014 #25
Sometimes polls are bad. DemocraticWing Oct 2014 #15
People deserve what they get when they vote GOP. (But we don't.) Vinca Oct 2014 #19
Raising the age on Social Security? Savannahmann Oct 2014 #26
You realize you're citing the "Moonie Times," right? Vinca Oct 2014 #27
Being disappointed with the Dems and voting Repub is like... CJCRANE Oct 2014 #23
Fools, if the Millennials want to vote GOP so be it, they are the ones who will really get screwed Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #24
millennials-have-landlines? -sure-they-do kal penn virtualobserver Nov 2014 #28
Oh? Savannahmann Nov 2014 #29
some polling companies do.... virtualobserver Nov 2014 #32
What is the Democratic Congressional approval? Savannahmann Nov 2014 #35
all of your concerns are clearly valid... virtualobserver Nov 2014 #36
'It's All Over. There Is no Hope.' Pre-Election Agitprop. MineralMan Nov 2014 #30
What has my message been all year? Savannahmann Nov 2014 #31
Meanwhile, a month ago I saw a poll saying millenials are socialists. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #34
Of course the kids are scared RobertEarl Nov 2014 #37
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