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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
78. The obsession with the term "ratfucking" is telling.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:52 PM
Nov 2014

This is basically a way to sneeringly call more liberal Dems a couple of childish nasty names, masked lightly with concern trolling for the well-being of the party. And a transparent way to try to pre-emptively blame liberals for whatever doesn't go well.

"Oh, it's not that we disagree with liberal criticism or liberal candidates or liberal principles. Nooo. It's just that they can never work (according to us) so you're 'depressing turnout' and really are kind of traitors. Or maybe spies!"

An updated version I saw today even lumps in anyone talking about possible Republican election misconduct as part of the "ratfucking." Because, if there's election fraud, people will get too depressed and not vote then, too. Or something.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5750820

Yeah. Makes no sense at all. Obama was supposed to be a naive liberal dream pony that was going to lose us the election too, remember? Nevermind he didn't turn out to that fluffy liberal unicorn -- that was still the argument against him during the primary.

And it's a particularly rightwing kind of attack, calling liberal Dems traitors and spies, instead of, say, making an argument about policy or the relative merits of a candidate. Get nasty. Get personal. Impugn motives and ethics. Quite Rovian, really.

And ironically, if a rightwinger DID want to screw with Dems, racing around trashing liberals as hopelessly depressing and "non-pramatic," and especially with this new twist thrown out today that even watching for Republican dirty tricks is also somehow anti-Dem (what the hell?) would be a far more likely rightwing tactic than, say, liking Elizabeth Warren.

Ratfucking! Ratfucking! Ratfucking! It's a Nixonian term and a Nixonian tactic.

More importantly, though, seeing it everywhere is Nixonian paranoia.

No one worries more about enemy spies and traitors and dirty tactics than people who spend lots of time thinking of using those very things themselves.

Brand loyalty. And yet we think we're so much superior to the Republicans because we're blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #1
Bzzzt. The Democratic party is vastly superior to the Republican party. tridim Nov 2014 #7
He;'s not talking about 'parties'. He's talking about voters. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #11
Democrats ARE the Democratic Party. tridim Nov 2014 #14
Oh how I wish that was actually true. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #23
It would solve a lot of problems, wouldn't it. WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #64
wow, that would indeed make things so much easier. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #85
+1 merrily Nov 2014 #229
What's amazing is that you think that. The grassroots of the Democratic Party are against fracking. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #208
Being against something doesn't matter much if you don't act upon it. The majority ignore primaries. Chathamization Nov 2014 #220
If a voter is against fracking who should they vote for? Does the Democratic Party support fracking rhett o rick Nov 2014 #221
They should have voted for the Democrats who were running on anti-fracking messages? Chathamization Nov 2014 #222
Who is running on an anti-fracking message besides in NY & NC? RiverLover Nov 2014 #230
It doesn't seem like anti-fracking candidates are exactly non-existent in CO Chathamization Nov 2014 #293
Refusing to vote for a pro-TPP, pro-fracking candidate IS acting on it. Doctor_J Nov 2014 #256
We get the government we show up for YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #272
Is That A Joke? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #237
Nail head Thespian2 Nov 2014 #250
Thanks...Prescott Bush Was A Traitor billhicks76 Nov 2014 #296
How do you define 'democrat'? It isn't just a letter and it's amazing, speaking of amazing, that sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #288
Hear hear! True Blue Door Nov 2014 #72
No way, baby!!! vlyons Nov 2014 #104
rec. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2014 #2
thank you for this. +1000000000 NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #3
Bingo vi5 Nov 2014 #4
Yep RobertEarl Nov 2014 #5
No you didn't. zappaman Nov 2014 #45
I joined in 2005 specifically to rock the kooky boat nine years later. Orrex Nov 2014 #52
Your posts seem to Be Free of pro environmental messages CreekDog Nov 2014 #120
There was a poll another user did recently that asked people to vote for their Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #6
Actually... jeff47 Nov 2014 #15
I vote in every primary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #26
Then you should bother reading the last sentence before complaining. jeff47 Nov 2014 #29
Funny you should mention 'Captain Orange' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #38
You really should try to actually get all the way through a post sometime. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2014 #41
And you might want to try to learn the reality of politics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #53
You're "brining up issues" that are addressed in the posts you reply to jeff47 Nov 2014 #102
I have a feeling he knows that reality very well. merrily Nov 2014 #234
This is exactly what happened in Ohio RiverLover Nov 2014 #232
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #99
Then the last sentence applies. jeff47 Nov 2014 #103
Bingo MaggieD Nov 2014 #278
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #17
As I pointed out elsewhere, the % of time you vote with Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #27
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #60
ROVE and Company love this, they love watching us act like adults, something they are randys1 Nov 2014 #277
I criticize the Democratic party often, ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #225
So true! I tout Bernie Sanders because of his pledge to fight for Publicly Funded Elections and Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #283
+1000000000000000 Thank you woo me with science Nov 2014 #286
Well said William Pitt ... I share your befuddlement 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #8
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #9
Do you really think WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #13
Possibly ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #28
I can see the headline WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #39
Are you reading what I wrote, or just responding to the voice(s) in your head? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #62
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #68
Will, you are not displaying well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #95
Crunch time WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #108
I'll repeat ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #118
omg -- if a DUer said it, it must be TRUE!! and lethal to the party! nashville_brook Nov 2014 #67
I can't tell what you are talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #113
I think you think that you don't need to follow the TOS. MADem Nov 2014 #146
Reminds me of an old saying. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #19
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #33
You mean the attempts by the President? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #42
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #65
I wondered what that was about. Almost the entire Republican campaign strategy this year merrily Nov 2014 #233
No shit! It seems pretty clear to me! MADem Nov 2014 #145
But, at least I didn't drop another "watermelon" comment on him! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #152
Really. MADem Nov 2014 #156
The problems will still be around on Wednesday. jeff47 Nov 2014 #10
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #35
Exactly right on all counts. stevenleser Nov 2014 #115
With that last paragraph, you are too charitable. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #213
I agree with him 1000% and I'm still voting D RiverLover Nov 2014 #235
That has nothing to do with what I wrote. What you personally are doing is not at issue. stevenleser Nov 2014 #260
+1 n/t jaysunb Nov 2014 #140
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #12
calling the Democratic President a Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman does not = Debate. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #16
Sure inspired a lot of debate around here. WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #18
It's still a hot debate Will... by people who weren't even members at the time Autumn Nov 2014 #163
LOL WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #165
Yeah not to terribly Puglover Nov 2014 #248
Hey Puglover. How goes it? Autumn Nov 2014 #257
Going good Autumn. Puglover Nov 2014 #258
Last winter here? You are so lucky Autumn Nov 2014 #259
How I see that situation RobertEarl Nov 2014 #24
If that is what WP meant ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #36
Pitt was faced with a bad personal situation when he wrote that RobertEarl Nov 2014 #47
"That.... many here are off kilter in their words here on DU." zappaman Nov 2014 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #56
I consider the President a better friend than W. Pitt LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #61
Read the OP again. RobertEarl Nov 2014 #69
Of course you see the situation wrongly. zappaman Nov 2014 #46
There must be scads of Online Writing courses, LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #74
You claim RobertEarl Nov 2014 #82
Well then, why did he say that in the title of his OP? MADem Nov 2014 #154
Damn ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #214
If people here went after republicans... RobertEarl Nov 2014 #218
Funny you should say that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #240
"Still carrying it around?" Puglover Nov 2014 #274
You'd think someone who styles himself a writer would have made that clearer, then. MADem Nov 2014 #148
Spend a bit of time reviewing the things said to LGBT people simply for advocating our own equality Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #20
This is truth. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #116
I think that you've made the best point so far... Blanks Nov 2014 #201
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Will Pitt . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #21
How many here were here since 2001? JaneyVee Nov 2014 #22
So what, if we're 'newer immigrants' we don't matter? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #30
What the hell does that mean, and.... JaneyVee Nov 2014 #31
"How many here were here since 2001?" Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #40
Some have solidarity for principles, others for labels. If a pro-TPP, pro-fracking, pro-insurance, Doctor_J Nov 2014 #261
Thank you. I vote for principal. 840high Nov 2014 #25
!... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #43
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #32
Seriously, here's the deal maxrandb Nov 2014 #34
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #48
Absolutely right on. olegramps Nov 2014 #86
*Standing Ovation. Why does this have to be said and resaid over and over? LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #97
Define "the country" - TBF Nov 2014 #105
Where to start maxrandb Nov 2014 #167
Excellent start - TBF Nov 2014 #188
"The republicans co-opting of religion" Martin Eden Nov 2014 #241
Great post - TBF Nov 2014 #242
Thank you for this. It IS more than a game for most of us in the real world. canoeist52 Nov 2014 #168
Excellent retort TBF. Outstanding. Well Said! Sadly it goes right over their heads. 2banon Nov 2014 #186
+1. I find your last line the most compelling LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #121
Your problem is not on DU - TBF Nov 2014 #190
And your problem is you covet the struggle LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #270
If you have no idea who Greg Abbott is TBF Nov 2014 #279
Self awareness is good thing LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #281
Jesus Cripes Almighty. I have never seen folks RUN, not walk, RUN to wear the mantle of perceived Number23 Nov 2014 #292
You wrote a lot of words and didn't address his question. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #131
I thought that's what we were doing? maxrandb Nov 2014 #180
You're debating something different. LWolf Nov 2014 #244
I agree with some of what you said, but here's the problem Hippo_Tron Nov 2014 #135
Because you would not have gotten Single Payer maxrandb Nov 2014 #173
Again, why couldn't we have gotten it though? Hippo_Tron Nov 2014 #196
Have you forgotten about the "Blue Dogs?" markpkessinger Nov 2014 #295
Indeed. Maedhros Nov 2014 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Nov 2014 #210
Thank you. woo me with science Nov 2014 #251
+1 nt steve2470 Nov 2014 #138
Mercy ! n/t jaysunb Nov 2014 #142
WooHoo! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #158
RIGHTEOUS! !!!!! NT GusBob Nov 2014 #160
THANK YOU! betsuni Nov 2014 #211
That's a long, passionate post LWolf Nov 2014 #245
And you're missing the point maxrandb Nov 2014 #285
I don't think so. LWolf Nov 2014 #291
Exactly MaggieD Nov 2014 #275
^^excellent^^ freshwest Nov 2014 #294
I took this test (New York) and apparently I agree slightly more with the Green Party candidates Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #37
I'm surprised too. ablamj Nov 2014 #176
I did better on Socialist than Libertarian, don't remember exactly Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #191
If Dems lose seats tomorrow, it's all your fault. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #44
That does seem to be the message, every single cycle. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #70
I like your thinking. We can award him the "Nader Scapegoat" award. I am sure the DNC will rhett o rick Nov 2014 #137
Amen, Will. woo me with science Nov 2014 #49
Did you vote in New Hampshire's primary election this year, Will? MineralMan Nov 2014 #51
You're a dog with a bone. WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #63
You posted the bone, Will, on a public forum. MineralMan Nov 2014 #71
Jeez... Hissyspit Nov 2014 #77
*sigh* WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #79
Well, my first election was 1966. I registered on my birthday, too. MineralMan Nov 2014 #81
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #193
I have never voted for a republican in my life. MineralMan Nov 2014 #194
but your OP sounds like you voted, like you always do... LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Nov 2014 #144
Right on cue. Can you explain that oddity first, I may have misunderstood LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #155
Zombie sockpuppets don't get to even pretend they have some sort of moral high ground. Electric Monk Nov 2014 #157
Thanks, I haven't thought of this song for ages. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #161
Have I previously posted that video in reply to one of your earlier incarnations? Electric Monk Nov 2014 #166
Okay, you toodle off then. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #172
Thank you for keeping this thread active tonight Electric Monk Nov 2014 #189
Interesting, a boomer scolding a 13er. beerandjesus Nov 2014 #198
Apologies in advance WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #212
aka "Generation X" beerandjesus Nov 2014 #253
Nice to come back to DU and see things haven't changed at all. RetroLounge Nov 2014 #219
I'll send you the jury results as soon as I get them Autumn Nov 2014 #164
that jury took awhile GusBob Nov 2014 #171
Well I for one will keep critiquing whoever the fuck I want, just like always. Rex Nov 2014 #54
Even in Denmark? zappaman Nov 2014 #57
Well yeah, Denmark is special but you already knew that. Rex Nov 2014 #59
+10 840high Nov 2014 #169
amen, Will Pitt! nashville_brook Nov 2014 #55
I'm not going to try... That is why I have an (I) after my name rather than a (D) or (R) Xyzse Nov 2014 #58
Thank you, Will Oilwellian Nov 2014 #66
Extremely well written post Feral Child Nov 2014 #73
ask why they want to control the conversation... nashville_brook Nov 2014 #87
Dig it! n/t Feral Child Nov 2014 #96
I was wondering the same thing. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #75
Oooof. The Martyrs. alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #76
The obsession with the term "ratfucking" is telling. DirkGently Nov 2014 #78
+10000000 nashville_brook Nov 2014 #84
+1000000. n/t ms liberty Nov 2014 #174
My high school held pep rallies where faculty encouraged students to chant, "We're number one!" tclambert Nov 2014 #80
It can be explained, just not justified stupidicus Nov 2014 #83
I share your sentiment. onecaliberal Nov 2014 #88
We used to be called "Reds", "Commies", "Anarchists", "Peaceniks", and "Hippies". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #89
And it's not like they've ever been proven right. DirkGently Nov 2014 #124
admittedly DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #90
I'd rather have a member of the House or Senate that votes with me 80% of the time, than a Ikonoklast Nov 2014 #91
"The perfect is the enemy of the good." WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #92
I have voted already. Straight Democratic ticket, top to bottom. Ikonoklast Nov 2014 #101
It appears that a number here have misunderstood the OP. You said, "People here tend to forget that rhett o rick Nov 2014 #129
If every Blue Dog had won their seat in the last mid-term, the House would have remained Democratic. Ikonoklast Nov 2014 #181
I wonder if you take the time to explain this ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #159
Naturally criticism is a necessity sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #94
Save this post. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #98
nope Skittles Nov 2014 #110
How do you know that for sure? BKH70041 Nov 2014 #139
I know it "for sure" because I have been on this site for 13 years Skittles Nov 2014 #200
The liberal bashing is really discouraging. I guess it was only a matter of time Doctor_J Nov 2014 #100
Ironic, that their claim is liberalism "depresses turnout," isn't it? DirkGently Nov 2014 #112
They bash Liberals to discourage them so they have someone smokey nj Nov 2014 #128
I consider myself a flaming liberal and trust me, SMC22307 Nov 2014 #224
oh, THEM Skittles Nov 2014 #106
Moderate Republicans have no place to go ... GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #107
And they bring their hatred of liberals and their DirkGently Nov 2014 #195
word up frylock Nov 2014 #282
I agree with you 100%… I just wish my democratic candidates would say as much in their campaigns. world wide wally Nov 2014 #109
K and R bigwillq Nov 2014 #111
I seem to recall that during the Bush years the "pom pom squad" Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #114
And Obama was a liberal pipedream! DirkGently Nov 2014 #119
Looks like the party has been co-opted by the Circle Dees. Tatiana Nov 2014 #117
Ratfucking = Dirty Tricks/Sabotage by political operatives. See Nixon admin emulatorloo Nov 2014 #122
"Infiltrators" seem more likely to call liberals "Ratfuckers" DirkGently Nov 2014 #192
It is appalling if some DU'ers are using the term that way. emulatorloo Nov 2014 #262
Very good! H2O Man Nov 2014 #123
Waterman WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #134
Thank you, Will. H2O Man Nov 2014 #204
Where to begin? hfojvt Nov 2014 #125
Well said, sir. hifiguy Nov 2014 #126
Can't explain it, Will. All I can think from right now until tomorrow is that all pundits have.... marble falls Nov 2014 #127
Nixon always had a Democratic House and Senate Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #177
It's great that you vote on election day, Will. It's even BETTER if you VOTE EARLY. Damansarajaya Nov 2014 #130
Hatchet man.. Docross Nov 2014 #132
Anyone who tells me all Dems are the same is merely a parrot, a Limbot on the other side Roland99 Nov 2014 #133
It is simple really. Criticizing The POLICIES of the Conservadems exposes them for what they are Vincardog Nov 2014 #141
This IS election season here at DU. MADem Nov 2014 #143
Lol Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #147
Carl Jung had a term for it: enantiodromia-- Things turn into their opposites carolinayellowdog Nov 2014 #149
AHHHHHH!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #150
There were a whole lot of fine DUers who got "ratfucked" during those "2,922 days". countryjake Nov 2014 #151
You remind me of a guy that whined and whined until he got a pony, then he CK_John Nov 2014 #153
''Are we really that chickenshit that we can't discuss and debate these serious issues...'' DeSwiss Nov 2014 #162
It's the Third Way doing pre-emptive damage control. Blame Zorra Nov 2014 #170
precisely. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #182
Exactly right. djean111 Nov 2014 #184
+1000 OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #271
Exactly! or more succinctly… Fuck Yeah! Agony Nov 2014 #175
"Explain it to me." - Sure. You are spending your time with the wrong people. jtuck004 Nov 2014 #178
Thanks Will, great post. Scuba Nov 2014 #179
I haven't noticed that. ozone_man Nov 2014 #183
Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #185
I stand. 99Forever Nov 2014 #187
We have alot of local issues going on Texasgal Nov 2014 #197
No problem bluedeer71 Nov 2014 #199
Ah Will... WillyT Nov 2014 #202
I don't worry about it treestar Nov 2014 #203
Did I miss it or just about miss it? What does the sign say ? lunasun Nov 2014 #205
What's worse than Ebola and more infectious? whereisjustice Nov 2014 #206
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #207
Well over 150 recs and still going strong... woo me with science Nov 2014 #209
I just generally stay away from here ibegurpard Nov 2014 #215
I am very glad you bring this up... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #216
The explanation is easy. It's so much easier to blindly follow. It's so much easier to rhett o rick Nov 2014 #217
What absolute bilge n/t Jeff Rosenzweig Nov 2014 #226
Ahhh, what a perfect response. Those that criticize the Left have nothing but insults. I rest rhett o rick Nov 2014 #263
You didn't make a case. Jeff Rosenzweig Nov 2014 #280
Speaking of "puerile armchair pseudo-psychological gibberish, ", did you read what you posted? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #287
easy to be an UNDERGROUND when your party is out of the white house. yodermon Nov 2014 #223
Why haven't Democrats taken to the streets over Citizens United? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2014 #227
Issues don't count.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #228
Apparently, the only reasons Democrats lose elections are not their respective messaging, not merrily Nov 2014 #231
Do you spend more time bashing red state dems or supporting liberal dems? IronLionZion Nov 2014 #236
"talk on DU won't swing one election" is the same argument as "my vote won't swing one election" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #238
K&R Enthusiast Nov 2014 #239
De ja vu Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #243
K&R If we are too afraid to tackle the tough issues. Who won't be? raouldukelives Nov 2014 #246
Trivial. Look at the youth vote. Who motivates the youth? joshcryer Nov 2014 #247
Your post was alerted on and survived 5-2. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #265
Thanks for letting me know. joshcryer Nov 2014 #266
Damn. DAYUM!! Number23 Nov 2014 #289
This is a great post. PatrickforO Nov 2014 #249
I think whoever got WP locked out of his own thread is the "ratfucker" Generic Other Nov 2014 #252
What ??? - When Did That Happen ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #264
That is shameful & really disappointing. RiverLover Nov 2014 #267
Too many 3rd wayers?... freebrew Nov 2014 #254
We're now supposed to stand for people, not principles Doctor_J Nov 2014 #255
x2 RiverLover Nov 2014 #269
Yeah thats why D and R labels are dead PatrynXX Nov 2014 #268
me, i, its because of the stupid assault on the man and the office mopinko Nov 2014 #273
I hate disingenuous thread titles MaggieD Nov 2014 #276
I agree. Great post Will. Owl Nov 2014 #284
K&R Jamastiene Nov 2014 #290
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