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In reply to the discussion: The reality about "vote flipping" machines in NC and elsewhere [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)103. I wrote this back in 2006
I listened to long diatribes from people in excruciating detail about how the GOP was rigging the game and that this was all part of their plan to rig elections nationwide. I was admonished for failing to bring this up again and again.
When I was on Fox's John Gibson show in 2003 I was attacked by some here for my failure to state outright that voting machines were rigged. Gibson himself tried to lead me down that path, and asked me if this was so. I answered that I did not know if that were the case, but as a computer systems engineer what I did know, and what was established fact was that the machines were insecure and easy to tamper with. Gibson had been prepared to deride me for taking a "whacko" viewpoint, instead I wound up getting to talk quite a bit about what was wrong with electronic voting machines. Had I followed people's advice and said the machines were rigged, I would have been savaged by Gibson, and discredited with the media and politicians.
Yet, when I was on the NC Select Committee on E-voting, I still had folks demanding I "blow the lid off the story" and use my position on the committee to "tell people the truth".
I'll ask you the same thing I asked them: Do you want a statement, or do you want a law? You can have one or the other, but not both. I have talked to a lot of reporters and politicians over the last four years, and on many occasions I saw people broach this subject with them. The person made polite noises to the advocate of this view, and after they had left, rolled their eyes and looked at me. I then had to do damage control to remind the politician/reporter of the hard evidence we had found and that these failures were resulting in people's loss of confidence in the electoral process.
Fortunately, this tactic worked.
NO MATTER WHAT *I* believe about elections, as soon as I start down that road with legislators and reporters my credibility is shot and I am effectively neutered. You can deal in fact, or you can deal in conjecture. Getting people to listen to fact is hard enough without wasting time on conjecture.
Let me explain it again for folks who are NOT getting the message: THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE REAL WORLD OF POLITICS AND THE MEDIA DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE VIEW THAT THERE IS A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN THE GOP AND VOTING MACHINE COMPANIES TO RIG ELECTIONS!
People who wander into their office espousing such view are politely thanked and relegated to the same category as people who believe that Alien Autopsy was real. If you are to have ANY chance for change, then you have to have the people in power's attention. If you don't, you will accomplish NOTHING!
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I think Rove and Co realized the Ohio 2004 tactics can only steal so many votes and to
randys1
Nov 2014
#1
Not sure the motive of the OP but today we talk about GOTV and then we watch for vote stealing
randys1
Nov 2014
#30
I have been programming touchscreen operator interfaces for over 20 years and after initial....
yourout
Nov 2014
#107
Does the machine print the hardcopy where the user can see the printout of the vote?
yourout
Nov 2014
#113
If I can control what is on the display, I can control what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#114
The voter is supposed to compare what is on the screen with what is on the printer
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#119
And if your clients used them only twice a year, how well do you think they would work? n/t
eridani
Nov 2014
#128
?? One 2008 story of R to D switch, vs. several in each election of D to R switch. nt
tblue37
Nov 2014
#28
"claiming this evidence of fraud discourages people from voting at a time where we need every damn
FSogol
Nov 2014
#3
machines make $$ for corporations. go back to hand paper and stop all this BS nt
msongs
Nov 2014
#10
I also read that 70% of votes in this election are on paper due to old machines which have fallen
PeaceNikki
Nov 2014
#13
It would be almost as easy (and certainly faster) to have three different companies scanning.
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#69
Well I know it will not change...and no one will purpose an amendment to change it.
zeemike
Nov 2014
#105
And really, if you were going to flip votes through software, would you make it visible?
Liberal Veteran
Nov 2014
#31
I don't recall one reported instance of "D"s flipping to "R"s. MEA CULPA! I MEANT: R to D!!!!!!!!!!!
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#34
All points well taken here. However this is about our elections, no room for failure of any kind.
YOHABLO
Nov 2014
#35
As an IT/repair person, I greatly admire your work and perseverance for accuracy in our..
BlueJazz
Nov 2014
#44
Kevin, this native North Carolinian wants to say a big thank you for all you've done.
ladyVet
Nov 2014
#53
Absolutely agree with this. The widespread fears of vote-flipping are CTs at their worst.
randome
Nov 2014
#95
Great thread (and OP). At the risk of opening a can of worms or ripping off a scab, do
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#108
Good points all. People in Ohio waited in line for hours and hours to vote in some
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#118
Bravo! As long as we acknowledge that there are occasional conspiracies in history -- the
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#123
What are the facts at the links of "R" flipping to "D" provided by the OP, (SEE POST # 82)?
WinkyDink
Nov 2014
#135
I've seen issues in Florida that are different than you describe, but may be manipulation.
Sancho
Nov 2014
#136
That's like saying raising awareness about cancer discourages doctor visits.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#169
Again, I have expained this about five times in this thread, but here goes number six
Kelvin Mace
Nov 2014
#173
I don't know. I would love to believe this, but I will never forget the 2004 election.
Vinca
Nov 2014
#183