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quakerboy

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118. Bullshit is backpeddling and pretending that

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:52 PM

Nov 2014

doing the same things and expecting a different result will somehow work.

We tried the "we are just like republicans and we eschew traditional democratic values" approach to national elections.

Perhaps its time for something different. Democrats running as Democrats. They don't even have to be "far left". They could be "middle left". Just as long as they are actually on the left, that would make it a worthwhile trial.

We've got a sorry situation. The president has set an example, and a bunch of democratic candidates tried to one up him, and lost. He has governed toward the "center". People tried to abandon the presidents moderate positions and move past him headed right. Essentially they tried to run as moderate Republicans. It didn't work. Its time for a new strategy.

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So now that we have nothing more to lose [View all] upaloopa Nov 2014 OP

I've been hard left before... and I feel myself swinging back in that direction. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #1

We still have the Presidency QuestionAlways Nov 2014 #36

Put on your walkin shoes for Bernie:) grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #2

Yep! southerncrone Nov 2014 #4

Bernie/ Liz 2016. Go big or go home. Autumn Nov 2014 #112

with Hillary running? elleng Nov 2014 #3

Hillary is our best bet to defeat them... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #5

Hillary? Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #13

YESSSSS Hillary VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #15

That's because average people vote for the candidates they've heard of Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #20

Hillary submits to Wall Street. Media CEOs like that in a president. Your instincts are correct. whereisjustice Nov 2014 #24

i dont give a shit about your pet peeves.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38

Being sold off to the corporatists isn't merely a pet peeve. It's an existential threat. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #80

For some, it actually is more palatable, unfortunately deutsey Nov 2014 #98

May their masters always treat them kindly. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #99

You better give a shit, the fact that you think NSA spying, banking fraud, fracking, miliarized whereisjustice Nov 2014 #90

no i dont have to.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #91

hillary? really? somebody-else Nov 2014 #126

+1 AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #77

and I am surprised a :"Democrat" gets away with talking VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #79

Your bullying won't change my opinion. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #81

telling it like it T.I Is is not bullying VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #83

Check my post history and tell me how many times I have "trash talked" Dems. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #133

In what world Caretha Nov 2014 #94

is THAT how republicans pulled this off VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

I find it amazing how short most people's memory is Caretha Nov 2014 #128

no losers eat their own.....like we do VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #129

Exactly. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #134

psst..don't tell anyone.... antigop Nov 2014 #92

Yeah name recognition from the Big Dog era really worked in GA. The names Carter, Nunn, and Miller Erose999 Nov 2014 #104

But the candidates the Clintons tried to help did not do that well considering the name JDPriestly Nov 2014 #45

this is midterms.....this when you play defense VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #84

In the wake of a historic drubbing that was framed as a referendum on Obama -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #78

Your strategy of running as Republican Lite LOST! Enormously! LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #103

you can call it whatever you want VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #120

Your interest is in doubling down on the strategy that got our asses whipped LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #121

the stupid is beating on the very candidates you VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #123

Stupid is listening to your doubling down of the strategy that LOST LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #124

Divisiveness has got to stop now. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #14

no I am telling them to stop their bullshit playing VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #18

Please, Vanilla BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #30

bullfuckingshit VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #40

Bernie far left? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #42

well he isnt lyndon larouche.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #64

hahahaha BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #65

ayn rand? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #67

why is it divisive to stop the Democratic Party on its suicide march to the right? Hillary whereisjustice Nov 2014 #17

GMAFB VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #19

You people? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #31

yes you people..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #43

Haha BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #49

Now IS the time for longshots. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #37

Bingo BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #55

Wendy Davis did worse than our last candidate Bill White against Rick Perry LeftInTX Nov 2014 #61

I like Wendy Davis, but she was a pretty bad candidate LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #105

and risk all three branches.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #88

Yep, pretty much like it was just before 1776 nolabels Nov 2014 #102

Turning right quakerboy Nov 2014 #54

Yep BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #57

that is what YOUR side does...accusing Dems VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87

thats bullshit VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #85

Bullshit is backpeddling and pretending that quakerboy Nov 2014 #118

Your schtick is old and no one is buying it. /nt Marr Nov 2014 #119

most anything besides gun control. appal_jack Nov 2014 #6

gun control? SammyWinstonJack Nov 2014 #12

I guess we should keep trying. But unless we can shut up the asshole RW enabling media, it Cleita Nov 2014 #7

Think of all the bullshit propaganda aimed at Obama in 2008. Maedhros Nov 2014 #8

The entrenched Democratic establishment is pushing Hillary on us. Cleita Nov 2014 #9

DEMAND BETTER. Don't stop until WE GET IT. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #10

Absolutely right on dreamnightwind Nov 2014 #59

DAMN RIGHT!! +1 Erose999 Nov 2014 #106

she is our best bet dammitt......whi do you have VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #22

Yes. It teaches me that the stoopid is deep and far. n/t Cleita Nov 2014 #23

Exactly.....and you better come with your A Game... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #25

Go away. Your nonsensical posts don't wear well with me. n/t Cleita Nov 2014 #26

go away? why....did I strike a nerve? Did you just learn VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #27

Sadly, the Obama bashers will never learn. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #34

yep...they never do see their own compliciteness VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35

Nobody is obligated to like Hillary AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #39

you dont have to like her....its not about who you want to have a beer with..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44

It's about who can deliver AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #46

and she has....:-)do you want me to post my list again? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #48

Apparently not BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #51

They voted for repukes AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #56

How indeed! Perhaps they didn't vote for repukes in the numbers we're being told. Sparky 1 Nov 2014 #62

Aging American, you nailed it. We've had a belly full of DINOs. Sparky 1 Nov 2014 #72

okaaaay....lets just keep doing what we have been doing VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #86

Hillary is the best...at continuing the death match to the right LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #107

The problem wasn't the American voter - it was the American NOT voter. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #131

We need to be just as extreme as them. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #11

No way our DEMS want to be seen as "rocking the boat," "being political," or "being unwilling to blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #58

I think you will have a hard time convincing the republicans in the party to do that. n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #16

Plank #1: Nationalize the TBTF banks, expropriate their assets, fire their KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #21

A good platform for losing BIG QuestionAlways Nov 2014 #47

Your assertion does not make it so. Did you bother to read the post that KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #53

No, surprisingly Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #113

I like it quakerboy Nov 2014 #63

Thanks for the detailed consideration. Much appreciated. I was trying to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #70

who gives a damn angrychair Nov 2014 #28

Yes, AND ... 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #29

You mean you DON'T trust Corporations to tell us how we actually voted?!?! blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #60

First let's find out whether the election was legitimate. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #32

Never gonna know. quakerboy Nov 2014 #66

Let's not just assume that. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #71

Prove me wrong quakerboy Nov 2014 #74

It's not up to them. It's up to us. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #75

You mean the "us" who can bring a criminal case? quakerboy Nov 2014 #117

absolutely. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #33

The "Lets be the center party!" experiment AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #41

Yep BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #50

^^ +a brazillion ^^ Myrina Nov 2014 #122

The ONLY "lesson" our Dems EVER "learn," is that they are not Republican enough. Expect Obama to blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #52

Which will lose us even more elections in the future AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #69

Yes, I expect to hear the words "work across the isle" and "bipartisanship" quite a bit from the liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #93

+1, that seems to be the case. Marr Nov 2014 #127

Upaloopa, you make a good point. Sparky 1 Nov 2014 #68

that wont work..america fears change.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #89

Anerca may fear change, but America wants it badly Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #114

America STILL fears change VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

Or was it former Dem voters staying home because of disappointment with Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #125

What is amazing BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #73

Sadly, a Left Turn has not been the trend Martin Eden Nov 2014 #76

Definitely money Caretha Nov 2014 #97

The presidency is a pretty big "nothing". Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #82

Sorry. Per Citizens United, it's a one-way street. Orsino Nov 2014 #95

Except that "we" are not the ones in charge Bettie Nov 2014 #96

This. Crunchy Frog Nov 2014 #116

Oh, we have much more we can lose. MineralMan Nov 2014 #101

Yes, like a lot of lives of people I know. But we don't count in this equation, clearly. freshwest Nov 2014 #132

Isn't that what we thought we were doing in 2008? Dawgs Nov 2014 #108

Yes it was but we didn't follow through. upaloopa Nov 2014 #109

What do you mean "we"? Obama picked Summers and Geitner before he even got into office. Dawgs Nov 2014 #110

Well I wasn't up on those guys back then. upaloopa Nov 2014 #111

Is there any identified voter treestar Nov 2014 #130