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killbotfactory

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34. That's not true at all, we have a staggeringly large prison population
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 11:41 AM
Dec 2011

We still end up with more prisoners, accounting for executions

Let's do the math:

"The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King's College London."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html?pagewanted=all

2,300,000,000 prisoners in the US plus about 40 executions per year for the US.

According to HRW: The death penalty and executions. The government does not publicize figures for the death penalty, but it is mandated for no fewer than 68 crimes. Though the exact number is a state secret, it is estimated that as many as 10,000 executions are carried out each year.
http://china.hrw.org/agenda_for_reform

10,000 suspected executions plus:

"China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison." -NYT

So we have:

China: 1,600,000 + 10,000 suspected executions.
US: 2,300,000 + 40 executions

So, unless China is actually executing 700,000 more people than estimated, that is not the reason for their lower prison population. And these are just raw numbers.

China has a population of over a billion people
US has a population of over 300 million

If China imprisoned people at the rate we do, they would have close to 10 million people in jail. You will only arrive at that number if you include the estimated population of forced labor camps in China.

That the US has a prison population comparable to China with it's huge forced labor camps is atrocious. These are not good numbers, no matter how anyone tries to shrug them off.



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Let's get more precise frazzled Dec 2011 #1
Assuming the facts in the video are true aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #2
+10000000000000000000000000 Liberal_in_LA Dec 2011 #8
100,000 Americans become felons every year tabasco Dec 2011 #3
They are cycled into the military industrial complex.... aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #4
And ProSense Dec 2011 #5
But these numbers are really only part of the problem... aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #6
True. n/t ProSense Dec 2011 #16
Its not a British TV show about American prisons dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #7
Thank you for the correction. I have edited the OP. NT aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #10
I wasn't having a go at you dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #13
Oh.. please it was no problem at all.... aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #14
British quiz\comedy shows are more factual than our news. provis99 Dec 2011 #11
Isn't it sad in our society... aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #12
You bet. dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #17
Authoritarian win. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #9
The program the clip is from is Qi (which stands for Quite Interesting) A British trivia show. Mac1949 Dec 2011 #15
Do you know what dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #20
Marvelous program, though I liked it better when Frankie Boyle was on. Mac1949 Dec 2011 #26
Try going back to where it all began here with "That Was The Week That Was" in 1962 dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #28
TW3 was an excellent series, and I'm well acquainted with the Black and White Minstrel Show. Mac1949 Dec 2011 #29
The Goons dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #31
One of my favorites as well. Mac1949 Dec 2011 #32
So 1% of Americans are in prison... 3waygeek Dec 2011 #18
So sad... aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #22
This has been true for a long time killbotfactory Dec 2011 #19
China has fewer prisoners because of on-the-spot executions. Zalatix Dec 2011 #30
That's not true at all, we have a staggeringly large prison population killbotfactory Dec 2011 #34
China keeps its execution numbers secret Zalatix Dec 2011 #35
I used estimates from Human Rights Watch. killbotfactory Dec 2011 #36
They have become labor camps for corporations. Hmmmmmm.... nt stillwaiting Dec 2011 #21
Prisons are very profitable. aaaaaa5a Dec 2011 #23
Indeed it is. It's disgusting we as a society have let them get away with it. nt stillwaiting Dec 2011 #24
The for profit prison system will make this % even higher in the next decade. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #25
crime pays for the privatized prison corporations spanone Dec 2011 #27
And the problem could be... greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #33
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