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marions ghost

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11. Yes of course it's a big problem

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:18 AM

Nov 2014

in this case of the driver having no protections-- and in many other ways that technology is being used to control and fetter us. We have no real consumer protection in this country. Only a pretense to it. And now we have gadgets that can monitor us anywhere. A serious loss of basic freedoms.

So if you want to get people on your side about that, is it really a good idea to heap guilt on them about signing up for facebook? and other stuff, all the useful tools for keeping connected, which are also easily used to provide a profile of us to those who collect it. When you tell someone they were naughty not to innocently follow a popular trend--you won't get many to listen to you. Finger wagging is not the way to go.

It's important that people understand how their freedom is being eroded insidiously.

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Wall Street Can Now Disable Your Car When You're Driving on the Freeway [View all] xchrom Nov 2014 OP

So, after buying a car, we need to go to mechanics to Ilsa Nov 2014 #1

only if you don't plan on paying the payments you agreed to snooper2 Nov 2014 #38

Or if you don't trust a bank not to make a mistake. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #41

Of if you have a shred of dignity DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #136

OMG best post of the day!!!!!!!! Vattel Nov 2014 #172

Thanks. I appreciate that. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #173

THANK YOU!!! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #200

I can't believe anyone agrees with this dangerous ploy. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #145

I can't believe people really think that the engineers behind the technology are idiots snooper2 Nov 2014 #149

Per the article, they are: Live and Learn Nov 2014 #150

well off people get their shit repoed as well...(They are usually most pissed off actually LOL) snooper2 Nov 2014 #154

Some of the devices disable the ignition. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #187

Yes, it's completely insane Warpy Nov 2014 #153

google thr topic... jberryhill Nov 2014 #190

That's what I'd do. n/t bobGandolf Nov 2014 #220

That is probably the worst thing you could do. Atman Nov 2014 #227

A wireless, virtual boot. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #2

It shut down while she was driving on the freeway. ck4829 Nov 2014 #3

you are right Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #4

Ok. I don't like this at all yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #52

A starter kill switch would have no affect on the highway... Agschmid Nov 2014 #54

that does not sound plausible jberryhill Nov 2014 #178

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2014 #183

That's not difficult to design or build. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #188

I didn't say it was not possible to build jberryhill Nov 2014 #189

I'm not willing to take industry's word on that. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #193

ah, so plaintiff's lawyer's word wins? jberryhill Nov 2014 #195

As an engineer I know the technology exists. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #196

America, you voluntarily surrendered your privacy years ago when you signed up for social media, Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #5

Stop the blame game marions ghost Nov 2014 #6

Blame game? Fucking rights. You have to admit you have a problem first...and few are. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #7

Yes of course it's a big problem marions ghost Nov 2014 #11

Say what? ryan_cats Nov 2014 #61

OK marions ghost Nov 2014 #82

So, it should be OK to not pay your car loan? ryan_cats Nov 2014 #170

Yes that is exactly what everyone is saying.. free cars for everyone.. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #179

Be poor sometime marions ghost Nov 2014 #181

You don't know me ryan_cats Nov 2014 #182

Whatever marions ghost Nov 2014 #202

Ignition interlock ryan_cats Nov 2014 #215

A word of caution Orrex Nov 2014 #218

You are 100% correct ryan_cats Nov 2014 #221

I agree with Orrex #218 marions ghost Nov 2014 #219

As do I ryan_cats Nov 2014 #223

Protections against lying, thieving Wall St. bankers, that's what Doremus Nov 2014 #168

Those damn bakners forcing people to use them... ryan_cats Nov 2014 #171

"Blaming and trying to make people feel they did something wrong" is exactly what should b done belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #18

How does that work? marions ghost Nov 2014 #22

people need to relaize nothing is free - the "free" software you just downloaded probably belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #36

You are still requiring the victim marions ghost Nov 2014 #37

respectfully i disagree belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #91

It would be more effective marions ghost Nov 2014 #92

like i said it'll take an enromous sacrifice on people belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #94

Not immediately, no marions ghost Nov 2014 #102

That's not exactly true. Free, Open Source Software is not the same... hunter Nov 2014 #74

Blaming victims takes the heat off the wrongdoers kcr Nov 2014 #26

Embolden them more? They can already fucking shut off your car, how more "more emboldened" do Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #84

Yes, it's nuts. How do you think it got that way? kcr Nov 2014 #88

You miss the point, it was a created mindset of not placing value on privacy, FB was the pioneer. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #89

I'm not the one missing the point. kcr Nov 2014 #90

Tellling people not to sign up for Facebook isn't the answer. i believe it is belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #95

And banks are glad you do n/t kcr Nov 2014 #104

not the bank where the facebook revenue goes to belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #107

Huh? nt kcr Nov 2014 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #112

Oh sure, shaming the poor is always the best solution. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #146

the stuff to which i was refering isnt exclusive to the poor belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #147

But it sure is the majority of it, isn't it? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #148

Exactly. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #123

Fred, the blame doesn't lie with social media..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #162

LOL, not a well thought out post! nt Logical Nov 2014 #166

Then why are you posting here if you hate social media? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #201

How social is an anonymous comments thread, I reject your definition and your logic. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #205

Message boards are a type of social media. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #206

Sure, just like FB...your definition, you can believe it if you like. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #207

This could prove to be fatal. How is this legal? B Calm Nov 2014 #8

Because money. baldguy Nov 2014 #10

And corruption. Lots of it. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #163

This is CRAZY Takket Nov 2014 #9

So what?? Everyone knows that money is worth more hifiguy Nov 2014 #134

Oh yeah! I bet the Supreme Court would disagree with you! Takket Nov 2014 #139

There goes OnStar then... mwooldri Nov 2014 #12

Thats a bit different Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #85

Until the loan is paid off, you're basically borrowing the car Orrex Nov 2014 #13

That's My Take Too ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #15

When they're stopped on the street, they block traffic kcr Nov 2014 #29

True, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. Orrex Nov 2014 #32

Yes, it does have to do with what you wrote. Did you read the article? kcr Nov 2014 #39

No, it doesn't. Did you read what I wrote? Orrex Nov 2014 #42

"Others said their cars were shut down while idling at stoplights." kcr Nov 2014 #43

Why are you blaming me for the policy that I explicitly rejected? Orrex Nov 2014 #47

You aren't veing very clear in what you're saying, obviously kcr Nov 2014 #53

Orrex is being incredibly clear IMO. Agschmid Nov 2014 #56

Well, that's nice. But that's not what's happening. kcr Nov 2014 #62

No shit. As I wrote in reply # 13: Orrex Nov 2014 #67

I personally don't find the source reliable. Agschmid Nov 2014 #69

I just don't get your point is all. kcr Nov 2014 #72

In reply # 13, I explicitly addressed what the article is about Orrex Nov 2014 #75

Ok. I don't know how I can make my point any clearer kcr Nov 2014 #78

A point of clarification: Orrex Nov 2014 #96

Yes, they do stop them whenever they want to. kcr Nov 2014 #103

No. Orrex Nov 2014 #106

Yes kcr Nov 2014 #109

Again, no. Orrex Nov 2014 #114

Whenever they want to meant regarding whether they're on the road or not kcr Nov 2014 #116

It took half a dozen posts for you to understand and acknowledge an obvious point Orrex Nov 2014 #120

But no one here was saying that cars shouldn't be repossessed. kcr Nov 2014 #128

The disabling of the cars is part of the repossession, obviously. Orrex Nov 2014 #129

No kcr Nov 2014 #130

That's a trivial objection. Orrex Nov 2014 #131

Trivial objection? kcr Nov 2014 #132

That simply means that you don't understand how repossession works. Orrex Nov 2014 #135

No. I'll take it up with the lenders who decided this was the way to handle default. kcr Nov 2014 #137

How exactly do you plan to "take it up with the lenders?" And why? Orrex Nov 2014 #152

Please. Orrex Nov 2014 #57

You can't think of a good reason other than the people saying that it's happening? kcr Nov 2014 #63

All of us agree stopping a car in motion is wrong. Agschmid Nov 2014 #68

I'm confident that it's happening exactly as they describe. Orrex Nov 2014 #71

I basically answered your question in another post kcr Nov 2014 #73

The car would have to be off for the kill switch to work. luke102938 Nov 2014 #79

Well, except that's not what's happening. kcr Nov 2014 #80

sure, if you beleive every exaggerated story you read jberryhill Nov 2014 #191

What? So your house is also not yours, until fully paid to the last penny? Please.....sir. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Nov 2014 #97

That is absolutely the case. You do not own a home until you pay for it fully. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #98

Thank you. Orrex Nov 2014 #99

Thank you, Bank of America. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #100

That's not a rebuttal; it's petulance. Orrex Nov 2014 #108

That is presuming to know tone of voice in written text. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #119

I presume nothing. Failure to convey tone is the fault of the writer. Orrex Nov 2014 #122

So a box could lock you out of your home on late payment dreamnightwind Nov 2014 #155

Some defend the notion, when in law it is not even the notion. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #158

Foreclosure is not the same as repossession Orrex Nov 2014 #159

Seems like an apt comparison to me dreamnightwind Nov 2014 #167

I'm sure that you see it that way, but you're mistaken. Orrex Nov 2014 #169

Probably not the same thing pipi_k Nov 2014 #184

A ladies car died here in Seattle and she tried to pull to the side of the road rhett o rick Nov 2014 #177

One flaming crash and multiple fatality should put an end to this Demeter Nov 2014 #14

... xchrom Nov 2014 #16

I believe this is mostly dealer financing. Get your loan elsewhere. badtoworse Nov 2014 #17

Oh I know a few "credit unions" I wouldn't put this past. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #142

Stop the vehicle in a bad neighborhood HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #19

Good point marions ghost Nov 2014 #23

If... ReRe Nov 2014 #20

The companies say it doesn't work when car's running. Yet one paid a "confidential settlement" to suffragette Nov 2014 #197

Right... ReRe Nov 2014 #198

Looks like similar tech use is spreading - $$$ prioritized over privacy, safety and dignity suffragette Nov 2014 #216

That is so "Police State", isn't it? ReRe Nov 2014 #224

Yes, Corporate Police State, at that. suffragette Nov 2014 #225

If we keep going... ReRe Nov 2014 #228

Very true suffragette Nov 2014 #229

Just don't be late. hot hunk Nov 2014 #21

More predatory lending. nc4bo Nov 2014 #28

Yes, there are sleazebag lenders, but... pipi_k Nov 2014 #185

"Banks Can’t Get Away With Horrible Mortgage Practices Anymore, So Now They’re Doing It With Car suffragette Nov 2014 #222

Guess you have never had a bank make a mistake. peace13 Nov 2014 #30

So why ignore the side that says don't lend to people who can't afford it? n/t kcr Nov 2014 #31

Well, one more reason for me to never buy a car made after 1995 ;) MillennialDem Nov 2014 #24

This sounds slightly sensational ... Wall Street? It's car dealers and automotive lenders ... Auggie Nov 2014 #25

Saw this used in a T V drama! peace13 Nov 2014 #27

First they came for the deadbeat car buyers... Jerry442 Nov 2014 #33

^^^^^++ marions ghost Nov 2014 #40

That's a false slippery slope. Orrex Nov 2014 #50

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2014 #60

Ah, but didn't they tell you... Jerry442 Nov 2014 #83

But is it you who is comparing protesters to those who have broken agreements, stiffed their kids, Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #101

And we all know that law enforcement never, ever, ever... Jerry442 Nov 2014 #117

The analogy still fails Orrex Nov 2014 #124

Rest assured, everything they do will be letter-perfect legal baldguy Nov 2014 #165

Too bad there is no kill switch on the high frequency trading computers on Wall St..... Hotler Nov 2014 #34

... xchrom Nov 2014 #44

Excellent idea. Jerry442 Nov 2014 #86

On-off, on-off, on-off, on-off just to mess with them :).......n/t Hotler Nov 2014 #151

Disabled their UglyGreed Nov 2014 #35

Not surprised. Rex Nov 2014 #45

One should avoid.. sendero Nov 2014 #46

Car dealership get pissed off when you dont yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #59

You should have...... sendero Nov 2014 #66

You are right yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #70

The most important thing is that you now recognize that you were treated shabbily and KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #93

Thanks! Lessons learned are certainly a part of life. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #118

I don't blame them. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #143

You of course meant to say the loan companies. ileus Nov 2014 #48

Car dealer admitted that his gps kill switch device lead to arrest of kidnap CK_John Nov 2014 #49

No doubt the corporatists will trumpet that story to the ends of the earth. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #164

There has been many low budget used car dealers doing this for a long time liberal N proud Nov 2014 #51

just to be clear, there are at least 2 distinct issues here: unblock Nov 2014 #55

Those are some pipi_k Nov 2014 #186

Pay your bills ryan_cats Nov 2014 #58

Yeah...funny demwing Nov 2014 #127

This simply reinforces SheilaT Nov 2014 #64

I removed such a device from our used, fully paid for, car. hunter Nov 2014 #65

Lol "freedom" and not just with cars rjsquirrel Nov 2014 #175

IMO Mr Dixon Nov 2014 #76

The people most damaged by these have few choices. hunter Nov 2014 #105

Note the familiar patterns in this thread. woo me with science Nov 2014 #77

Nailed it again Woo! MindPilot Nov 2014 #113

Absolutely. hunter Nov 2014 #133

+ 1 hifiguy Nov 2014 #138

And you don't have a pattern? treestar Nov 2014 #194

This is the kind of poor-shaming that has happened since the Sumerians. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #203

True, they worship Wall Street so much that they don't even pay attention to what they Rex Nov 2014 #204

I was just noticing that myself. Marr Nov 2014 #213

Interesting Orrex Nov 2014 #217

Big deal, "Detroit" has been able to do that for years, hughee99 Nov 2014 #81

i buy used cars-just cheaper-how do i know device is not on car i just bought dembotoz Nov 2014 #111

This is America AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #115

Waiting until someone dies because of this. louis-t Nov 2014 #121

A vicious kidnapper was just found due to the devices you are attacking. former9thward Nov 2014 #125

Well that settles it nichomachus Nov 2014 #140

I don't favor that but that is coming. former9thward Nov 2014 #141

My car has two GPS devices - but I paid to have them installed and know about them REP Nov 2014 #210

Good, maybe people will be reluctant to buy the fucking things demwing Nov 2014 #126

Here's what I wrote on the other thread Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #144

Great post. Thanks... n/t JimDandy Nov 2014 #211

Well hopefully people will learn not to finance stuff. dilby Nov 2014 #156

If I were in anonymous, and I am NOT suggesting they do this, but, I would be tempted to... stevenleser Nov 2014 #157

Or keep a log of everywhere they stop for a few weeks, JoeyT Nov 2014 #176

and welcome to our brave new world. niyad Nov 2014 #160

This is really just another form of extortion, nothing less. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #161

Buy from us and we now own you suffragette Nov 2014 #174

Well I for one do *not* want to live in a United States where Lloyd Blankfein cackles maniacally Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #180

That's dangerous treestar Nov 2014 #192

This is Orwellian as fuck. And very bad for public safety. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #199

Imagine this. Someone borrows money from you and agrees to pay it back, then they don't and tell RB TexLa Nov 2014 #208

Besides doing this at a time that could indanger the drive, what if that do someting stupid. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2014 #209

Good point about the possibility of being car hacked. JimDandy Nov 2014 #212

NEVER get a loan to buy a car, buy a used car puzzledeagle Nov 2014 #214

A bit deceiving to say its Wall Street.... Historic NY Nov 2014 #226