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Rex

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16. LOL imo that's like saying, "don't trust the devil."

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Tue Nov 11, 2014, 01:54 PM

Nov 2014

You can count on me not trusting a dictator no matter what the fuck he says.

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Slate: Don’t Accept Putin’s Version of History. The West didn’t provoke Russia... [View all] stevenleser Nov 2014 OP

kick nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #1

But, but, but...we always suck and Putin is always right! joeybee12 Nov 2014 #2

I particularly appreciate the mental gymnastics required to condemn Bush and Iraq and laud Putin stevenleser Nov 2014 #3

Yes, but the way the West treated Czarist Russia must be taken into account. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #6

Almost perfect. You don't have any nazi/neo-nazi comments/accusations against Ukraine stevenleser Nov 2014 #7

Jews!!!!! 7962 Nov 2014 #26

ZIONISTS!!!1!!one!!1!! nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #117

It's simple: America is evil so anyone who opposes America is good. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #119

yeah right. zappaman Nov 2014 #4

Great article. Better pop some popcorn for when the Putinistas see this thread. FSogol Nov 2014 #5

The whole business of blaming the Ukrainian crisis on the West is such ridiculous malarky. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #8

" " " " "" " n/t MBS Nov 2014 #33

Rec tammywammy Nov 2014 #9

Victoria Nuland's Admits Washington Has Spent $5 Billion to "Subvert Ukraine"... jtuck004 Nov 2014 #10

Lots of money to be made from mineral extraction, for example. Octafish Nov 2014 #11

Victoria Nuland hasn't been in her role for most of this. Focus on her is a distraction. Nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #12

Yeah, just for the fomenting the revolution part. lol then we leave and point fingers. jtuck004 Nov 2014 #13

No. Russia has been abusing the west's kindness for 30+ years now. Thats the point. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #14

And that is exactly the point. Every inch the west has given, Putin takes a yard. 7962 Nov 2014 #28

It is a lie that the west fomented the uprising. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #24

Not quite, but thanks for spinning it that way. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #15

So you are saying she is a liar. Some help you are - jtuck004 Nov 2014 #18

"violent right-wing protesters" ... Yeah the streets of Kiev were full of them for months in winter. pampango Nov 2014 #21

Thank you for the notice that you are wasting my time... jtuck004 Nov 2014 #23

Your boosterism for corrupt, authoritarian regimes geek tragedy Nov 2014 #25

The idea that the US spent $5 billion to overthrow Yanukovych is a lie. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #27

cookies arely staircase Nov 2014 #102

What a colossal waste. Bye. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2014 #115

LOL imo that's like saying, "don't trust the devil." Rex Nov 2014 #16

What a load of bullshit. Paolo123 Nov 2014 #17

No, it's not bullshit. It's all backed up by facts. The US' policy towards Russia at least was stevenleser Nov 2014 #19

Sure it does... Paolo123 Nov 2014 #20

No it doesnt and the article proves why your Mexico reference doesnt make sense stevenleser Nov 2014 #22

LOL. you are delusional. over and out. Paolo123 Nov 2014 #31

Delusional? Its easy to research. Georgia and Ukraine have been after NATO membership for years stevenleser Nov 2014 #32

Those facts are totally irrelevant Paolo123 Nov 2014 #34

You would like them to be irrelevant because they destroy your narrative. stevenleser Nov 2014 #35

What narrative did they destroy? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #36

The narrative that the US/West fomented the revolution and "forced" Russia to invade stevenleser Nov 2014 #37

LOL Paolo123 Nov 2014 #38

Yes, it is funny that you are trying to spin it as something else. stevenleser Nov 2014 #39

How can something that has never happen be debunked by easily researched history? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #42

I wouldnt expect someone who makes crazy broad generalized attacks on groups to know stevenleser Nov 2014 #44

nice way to shift the discussion Paolo123 Nov 2014 #46

Not shifting. Just letting anyone following our discussion know where to go to find out more stevenleser Nov 2014 #47

Ok, then Paolo123 Nov 2014 #51

Whoopsies. GGJohn Nov 2014 #97

You can support your hypothesis with objective citations rather than simple and subjective guesswork LanternWaste Nov 2014 #40

What is there to cite? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #41

Hey... if you're simply guessing, no harm. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #43

What do you mean? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #45

No one cares what any DUer says that they cannot back up. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #48

So, nobody on DU every hypothesizes... Paolo123 Nov 2014 #50

You aren't hypothesizing. What you are doing is closer to push-polling. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #53

Are you ever going to answer that last question I had of you that you refuse to answer? nt Paolo123 Nov 2014 #55

You appear to not understand the differences between an hypothesis, a premise and a conclusion. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #54

So, Paolo123 Nov 2014 #57

There was no coup in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #59

No Coup in Ukraine? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #61

Okay, how exactly was Yanukovych forcibly removed then? nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #62

Ok so we are arguing definitions... Paolo123 Nov 2014 #64

He took three whole days to pack up his most valuable possessions. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #65

OK, so, Paolo123 Nov 2014 #66

Three days to pack up frivilous valuables before walking to his helicopter? No, not a coup. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #78

correct, no coup Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #63

and, Paolo123 Nov 2014 #67

The parts that were allowed Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #68

My interpretation is different: Paolo123 Nov 2014 #71

Too bad that is not what they agreed to Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #76

So, how long should this be in effect? Paolo123 Nov 2014 #80

So you have no response Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #92

so: Paolo123 Nov 2014 #94

No, the armed pro-Russian separatists with the guns didn't want to be a part of Ukraine anymore. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #79

So, Paolo123 Nov 2014 #81

That wouldn't undo Russia's unprovoked war of aggression stevenleser Nov 2014 #82

and the UN needs to monitor the border nt Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #93

That person has been unceremoniously shown the door... stevenleser Nov 2014 #96

You seem to be under the impression I am taking one side or the other. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #49

Not at all. Paolo123 Nov 2014 #52

+ trillions nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #73

You are agreeing with a now banned troll. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #95

Knowing this poster... zappaman Nov 2014 #98

Birds of a feather...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #124

Yeah, that post you're "+trillion" with is a troll.. wonder what he did to deserve such an epitaph? Cha Nov 2014 #121

LOL, typical Hate-America-Firster. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #120

Boom! That's precisely it LittleBlue Nov 2014 #75

K&R for information on the West and Russia. freshwest Nov 2014 #29

kick for truth... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #30

I'm still trying to figure out the whole Sikorski-Applebaum angle jakeXT Nov 2014 #56

She has a lot of facts in her article. Going after her personally doesnt seem relevant. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #58

She left out the missile shield for example. She could have called the Russians delusional, but she jakeXT Nov 2014 #60

Poland is currently in the process of selecting a missile defense system of their own. n/t tammywammy Nov 2014 #69

A bonus system jakeXT Nov 2014 #70

Right, it's their own system. n/t tammywammy Nov 2014 #72

This one did not start off well MFrohike Nov 2014 #74

Neocon whose husband makes cannibal jokes about Obama. Karmadillo Nov 2014 #77

Ad hominems won't work, there are lots of facts in the article. Nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #83

But there are facts in my post. She's a neocon & her husband makes cannibal jokes Karmadillo Nov 2014 #84

As DUs resident RT/parry propagandist pusher... zappaman Nov 2014 #85

I would imagine something far more intelligent than anything you Karmadillo Nov 2014 #89

Can't wait for you to post it!!! zappaman Nov 2014 #90

There are no facts in your post, just ad hominem attacks. Nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #87

She's not a neocon? Her husband doesn't make cannibal jokes about Karmadillo Nov 2014 #88

Those are as hominem attacks, not facts. Nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #91

Facts. Both true statements. You can choose your neocon articles to post, and Karmadillo Nov 2014 #99

Ad hominem attacks meant to distract from the facts at hand are not 'facts' stevenleser Nov 2014 #100

Continuing notice by neocon devotee stevenleser. Yikes! I'm Karmadillo Nov 2014 #101

Nope, not by me, by all of DU. Everyone is noticing your authoritarianism nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #103

P.s. thanks for kicking my OP nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #104

Neocons making accusations of authoritarianism. Wonders Karmadillo Nov 2014 #105

Nope, you're the neocon. That's what Putin is and you are supporting him. All neocons love him. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #106

When did Cleverbot get a DU membership? Karmadillo Nov 2014 #108

When did you decide selling out LGBT folks was OK? nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #112

Here you go, you are on the same side as Patrick Buchanan. He loves Putin as much as you do... stevenleser Nov 2014 #107

When you smear you simply reveal Karmadillo Nov 2014 #109

Part of Buchanan's reasoning is Putin hates LGBT as much as Social Conservatives here. And he is stevenleser Nov 2014 #111

The Atlantic: Vladimir Putin, Russian Neocon stevenleser Nov 2014 #110

Anne & her cannibal jokes husband would be proud Karmadillo Nov 2014 #113

Again, thank you for kicking my OP so everyone can see Anne's article stevenleser Nov 2014 #114

Yup. zappaman Nov 2014 #116

The article does have good facts despite its whiny tone. nilesobek Nov 2014 #86

I'm getting sick of the Hate-America-Firsters' love-fest for that Fascist POS. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #118

Thank you, Odin! Cha Nov 2014 #122

That crap is why I can't stand Maoists despite being a Marxist, myself. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #123