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In reply to the discussion: Slate: Don’t Accept Putin’s Version of History. The West didn’t provoke Russia... [View all]nationalize the fed
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You don't get an answer because you're right of course. (It's more than 20 years though)
Many Americans have bought the "Exceptional" line and think they really are. That their country can do what you have listed above at any time to any other people and it's somehow their right. Any objectors are terrorists and or delusional, dumb serfs who should be working/paying taxes rather than thinking anyway.
They ignore the recent history of their governments agencies and what they have done such as the CIA:
Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA.
1 During the Cold War
1.1 Communist states 194489
1.2 Syria 1949
1.3 Iran 1953
1.4 Guatemala 1954
1.5 Tibet 195570s
1.6 Indonesia 1958
1.7 Cuba 1959
1.8 Iraq 196063
1.9 Dominican Republic 1961
1.10 South Vietnam 1963
1.11 Brazil 1964
1.12 Chile 197073
1.13 Afghanistan 197989
1.14 Turkey 1980
1.15 Poland 198089
1.16 Nicaragua 198190
1.16.1 Destablization through CIA assets
1.16.2 Arming the Contras
2 Since the end of the Cold War
2.1 Iraq 199296
2.2 Venezuela 2002
2.3 Iraq 200203
2.4 Iran 2005present
2.5 Syria 2012present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
1 During the Cold War
1.1 Communist states 194489
1.2 Syria 1949
1.3 Iran 1953
1.4 Guatemala 1954
1.5 Tibet 195570s
1.6 Indonesia 1958
1.7 Cuba 1959
1.8 Iraq 196063
1.9 Dominican Republic 1961
1.10 South Vietnam 1963
1.11 Brazil 1964
1.12 Chile 197073
1.13 Afghanistan 197989
1.14 Turkey 1980
1.15 Poland 198089
1.16 Nicaragua 198190
1.16.1 Destablization through CIA assets
1.16.2 Arming the Contras
2 Since the end of the Cold War
2.1 Iraq 199296
2.2 Venezuela 2002
2.3 Iraq 200203
2.4 Iran 2005present
2.5 Syria 2012present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
The Establishment Mouthpiece Ted Koppel rambled on for 444 nights about "The Hostages" never even once mentioning the 1953 Iranian Coup- the reason for the hostage taking to begin with. It was classified, and anyone that did connect the dots was a Conspiracy Theorist.
Regime changes, drone bombing children, "sanctioning" here and there, character assassinations - it's all fine.
People in other countries are paying attention though- like Vinnie in New Zealand:
"You've gone from being the most intelligent, literate, morally back-boned citizenry in the history of the world to the laziest, dumbest, most capitulating human trash that has ever existed"
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Slate: Don’t Accept Putin’s Version of History. The West didn’t provoke Russia... [View all]
stevenleser
Nov 2014
OP
I particularly appreciate the mental gymnastics required to condemn Bush and Iraq and laud Putin
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#3
Yes, but the way the West treated Czarist Russia must be taken into account.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#6
Almost perfect. You don't have any nazi/neo-nazi comments/accusations against Ukraine
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#7
The whole business of blaming the Ukrainian crisis on the West is such ridiculous malarky.
Tommy_Carcetti
Nov 2014
#8
Victoria Nuland's Admits Washington Has Spent $5 Billion to "Subvert Ukraine"...
jtuck004
Nov 2014
#10
Victoria Nuland hasn't been in her role for most of this. Focus on her is a distraction. Nt
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#12
Yeah, just for the fomenting the revolution part. lol then we leave and point fingers.
jtuck004
Nov 2014
#13
No. Russia has been abusing the west's kindness for 30+ years now. Thats the point. nt
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#14
"violent right-wing protesters" ... Yeah the streets of Kiev were full of them for months in winter.
pampango
Nov 2014
#21
No, it's not bullshit. It's all backed up by facts. The US' policy towards Russia at least was
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#19
No it doesnt and the article proves why your Mexico reference doesnt make sense
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#22
Delusional? Its easy to research. Georgia and Ukraine have been after NATO membership for years
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#32
The narrative that the US/West fomented the revolution and "forced" Russia to invade
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#37
How can something that has never happen be debunked by easily researched history?
Paolo123
Nov 2014
#42
I wouldnt expect someone who makes crazy broad generalized attacks on groups to know
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#44
Not shifting. Just letting anyone following our discussion know where to go to find out more
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#47
You can support your hypothesis with objective citations rather than simple and subjective guesswork
LanternWaste
Nov 2014
#40
Are you ever going to answer that last question I had of you that you refuse to answer? nt
Paolo123
Nov 2014
#55
You appear to not understand the differences between an hypothesis, a premise and a conclusion.
LanternWaste
Nov 2014
#54
Three days to pack up frivilous valuables before walking to his helicopter? No, not a coup.
Tommy_Carcetti
Nov 2014
#78
No, the armed pro-Russian separatists with the guns didn't want to be a part of Ukraine anymore.
Tommy_Carcetti
Nov 2014
#79
Yeah, that post you're "+trillion" with is a troll.. wonder what he did to deserve such an epitaph?
Cha
Nov 2014
#121
She has a lot of facts in her article. Going after her personally doesnt seem relevant. nt
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#58
She left out the missile shield for example. She could have called the Russians delusional, but she
jakeXT
Nov 2014
#60
Poland is currently in the process of selecting a missile defense system of their own. n/t
tammywammy
Nov 2014
#69
But there are facts in my post. She's a neocon & her husband makes cannibal jokes
Karmadillo
Nov 2014
#84
Facts. Both true statements. You can choose your neocon articles to post, and
Karmadillo
Nov 2014
#99
Ad hominem attacks meant to distract from the facts at hand are not 'facts'
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#100
Nope, not by me, by all of DU. Everyone is noticing your authoritarianism nt
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#103
Nope, you're the neocon. That's what Putin is and you are supporting him. All neocons love him. nt
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#106
Here you go, you are on the same side as Patrick Buchanan. He loves Putin as much as you do...
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#107
Part of Buchanan's reasoning is Putin hates LGBT as much as Social Conservatives here. And he is
stevenleser
Nov 2014
#111
I'm getting sick of the Hate-America-Firsters' love-fest for that Fascist POS.
Odin2005
Nov 2014
#118