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pnwmom

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Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:40 PM Nov 2014

Why is it so shocking or horrible to Democrats that the President used political tactics [View all]

to get the ACA passed? Political tactics that Gruber stupidly exposed?

I can see why the other side is complaining, but why the Dems? It seems that half the time people here are complaining that Obama isn't a master of politics, like LBJ, and the other half they're complaining that he's just a politician.

He, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, and others cooperated to get an ACA bill passed that could make it through Congress. To do that they had to jump through some political hoops. There is nothing unusual or outrageous about this -- except to the hypocrites on the other side of the aisle, and to Dems who don't know how bills routinely get passed.

It is no coincidence that all the hubbub about this and the Supreme Court taking on the ACA subsidy case is happening at the same time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly naive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/upshot/the-jonathan-gruber-controversy-and-washingtons-dirty-little-secret.html?hpw&rref=upshot&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&abt=0002&abg=1


That would be Jonathan Gruber, an M.I.T. health economist who helped design the Massachusetts health reforms on which Obamacare was based and then advised the Obama administration on that program’s design. At an academic panel in 2013, he said that “this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure” the Congressional Budget Office “did not score the mandate as taxes.” He also said that “lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” and added, "Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”

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But here’s the dirty little secret: Mr. Gruber was exposing something sordid yet completely commonplace about how Congress makes policy of all types: Legislators frequently game policy to fit the sometimes arbitrary conventions by which the Congressional Budget Office evaluates laws and the public debates them.

In the case of the Affordable Care Act, that meant structuring the law so that the money Americans must pay the Internal Revenue Service if they fail to obtain health insurance under the law’s mandate is a penalty, not a tax. (The Supreme Court held that, though not a tax, the penalties were constitutional because they were an exercise of Congress’s taxing authority, which is the kind of distinction only a lawyer could come up with). That’s the reason the financial assistance the health law gives people to buy insurance is structured as a tax credit, not a direct payment, which would probably be simpler and more efficient.

And as Sarah Kliff notes at Vox, it is also why the law was structured to expand insurance coverage three years after passage. That way its cost estimate by the C.B.O. was kept under $1 trillion during the first decade after enactment. One trillion was the highest number that Democratic leaders thought was politically feasible.

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I don't know any Democrats who give a flying fuck about this. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #1
Then you must have missed all the posts here about it. nt pnwmom Nov 2014 #4
it is not "stupid" to expose the inner work of government. that's called "transparency". remember msongs Nov 2014 #2
Gruber himself said it was an off the cuff mistake. And it was. pnwmom Nov 2014 #6
Jesus Christ, his statement was CRYSTAL CLEAR. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #21
And it was an incredibly stupid thing pnwmom Nov 2014 #23
Which ACA hearings were closed-door? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #11
They probably shouldn't see how sausages are made, either... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #3
Certain people would rather not win if the price is dealing with other human beings. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #5
True! This is how it's done... And it's not as easy as yelling: freshwest Nov 2014 #14
Poor Jon Gruber.. talking about "stupid Americans".. now we find out he's one.. in the respect of Cha Nov 2014 #7
He was an idiot. pnwmom Nov 2014 #8
Here's a video of him responding to the right-wing shit storm. Blanks Nov 2014 #9
Thanks. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #10
Yes, it's timed and scripted RW propaganda. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #12
Errr... you mean like the same "Democrats" that feel that Obama has called himself a Moderate Number23 Nov 2014 #13
+1 Jamaal510 Nov 2014 #16
Too many people hate the idea of compromise, and have no idea what "negotiation" means bhikkhu Nov 2014 #15
I don't think it is "stupid" to expose things JonLP24 Nov 2014 #17
It was stupid of Gruber to say what he did because he, unlike the Rethugs, pnwmom Nov 2014 #19
He accidentally told the truth JonLP24 Nov 2014 #20
KnR, pnwmom Hekate Nov 2014 #18
Are you parsing this to death to convince yourself, or someone else? Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #22
It wasn't misrepresented anymore than almost any bill is. pnwmom Nov 2014 #24
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