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NM_Birder

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159. you know more than I, I've never actually set foot in Kentucky.

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 12:13 PM

Nov 2014

looking at the race from across the country it sure looked like it would have been closer than it was. Unlikely there was one single factor that shifted everyone so much. I would guess there lots of things adding up to cause voters to lose confidence.

I only know what the "news" reports so....... what is, is ........ and what I was led to believe,..... ain't.
I'm not convinced the Clinton's are helping anyone, anywhere, anymore.

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Alison Grimes' strategy of running away from Obama and to the right proved to be an utter DISASTER [View all] Cali_Democrat Nov 2014 OP

Hillary Clinton, are you paying attention? tularetom Nov 2014 #1

All she has to do is look at what happened to Al Gore Tommy2Tone Nov 2014 #73

Yep. I had no idea who she was in 2008 PatrynXX Nov 2014 #79

Hurt my damn finger on this rec button! bravenak Nov 2014 #2

Lol~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #33

Glad to see you! bravenak Nov 2014 #36

Good to see you as well bravenak~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #47

Oh, my! bravenak Nov 2014 #55

Wow, I may move to Alaska for the next 4 years. sheshe2 Nov 2014 #59

Things aren't as bad as they seem to me. bravenak Nov 2014 #61

Isn't Bill Walker a Repig? Wabbajack_ Nov 2014 #132

Independent. bravenak Nov 2014 #136

LOL.. I just REC.. if that helps? Cha Nov 2014 #91

You are always helpful. bravenak Nov 2014 #93

Where was that, bravenak.. we lost Cha Nov 2014 #94

Maui. bravenak Nov 2014 #95

Mahalo bravenak.. I had to leave to run after I posted that.. and then I remembered Maui Cha Nov 2014 #112

Ridiculous yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #3

but Alison did it in a most spectacularly idiotic and moronic way LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #10

But did the others deny Obama 3 times liberal N proud Nov 2014 #27

Not only say she voted for him LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #54

Here is what we do know.. Tommy2Tone Nov 2014 #72

Quinn just wasn't that popular BarackTheVote Nov 2014 #115

The 56-41% spread was a formidable rout. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #4

Her strategy of running in a red state against a powerful incumbent proved to be a disaster. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #5

I doubt that any other Democrat would have done as well... kentuck Nov 2014 #7

Especially in this political climate. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #9

Ashley Judd was pushed out of the race. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #21

She could have spent a little more time exposing McConnell link to the Chinese & the off-shore coal kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #25

The disparity between how the parties run AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #29

Ashley Judd's mental state would not have survived the onslaught of McConnell's attack ads. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #58

I think that is why she dropped out? kentuck Nov 2014 #69

I'm not convinced of that. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #71

I wonder--Judd? Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #46

I still think Ashley Judd would have been a better choice. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #12

An anti-coal candidate will never be elected in Kentucky. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #13

Forget it, Ykcutnek theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #121

No... kentuck Nov 2014 #15

I don't believe that. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #78

Well, here's the thing... Scootaloo Nov 2014 #117

Each candidate, republican or democrat, lost for different reason. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #6

IMO it isn't really about Obama but Democratic policies and principles. Bandit Nov 2014 #14

Agree with everything you typed. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #18

10 Democrats lost. kentuck Nov 2014 #24

Fully agree. Something was definitely wrong. You would never hear me say anything different. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #26

yeah, the country is more conservative than we would like to admit still_one Nov 2014 #109

What a freakin moron. I didn't want to say too much LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #8

She was running against the Republican Leader.. kentuck Nov 2014 #16

Kentucky's a tough gig for any Democrat. MineralMan Nov 2014 #11

Again, Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #35

True enough. It would have been interesting had she gone MineralMan Nov 2014 #39

They were gonna fuck with her either way. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #48

I agree. MineralMan Nov 2014 #66

Wrong answer zipplewrath Nov 2014 #156

The alternative is something like Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #163

Her fatal mistake Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #17

True, but... kentuck Nov 2014 #19

Playing the defensive is a losing strategy Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #20

Maybe? kentuck Nov 2014 #22

And so the Democrats played according to Republican strategy when they ran Scootaloo Nov 2014 #118

+1 flamingdem Nov 2014 #32

There ya go, Bobbie Jo! You go on the Offense and Offer what Dems are about.. and hell Cha Nov 2014 #116

Chas PIERCE said it, how much WORSE could it be (in outcome) for Dems to have STOOD BY Obama?!1 UTUSN Nov 2014 #23

Instead of letting hate radio and fox "news" run the show. Stood by Obama's and Dems' Cha Nov 2014 #130

She would have lost either way. What do you think KY is? When was the last time still_one Nov 2014 #28

Always a first time Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #34

I am really starting to see your point. bravenak Nov 2014 #38

In KY? still_one Nov 2014 #43

Why not? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #56

Yes, even in Kentucky. Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #84

Why do you think that's going to work on Kentucky conservatives? treestar Nov 2014 #52

Spam deleted by MIR Team JuanHamonrye Nov 2014 #57

Funny. I love your tell--"the democrat problem" BillZBubb Nov 2014 #104

LOL...they are useful idiots for the GOP noiretextatique Nov 2014 #142

Most people SUPPORT liberal views Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #83

If that is true then most of the republicans in congress, and most of the republicans in the country still_one Nov 2014 #89

So, no conservative Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #92

No they don't. In fact they want the taxes they paid into those systems returned to them still_one Nov 2014 #96

Gosh, every single conservative on Kentucky Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #133

Then it would have been better to lose with gusto Union Scribe Nov 2014 #106

To me your argument is the ONLY one that makes sense. Unless, of course one subscribes to Howard still_one Nov 2014 #108

If you're going to die, at least die with your boots on. hatrack Nov 2014 #123

I believe their governor is a Dem... fadedrose Nov 2014 #127

He is. Different issue still_one Nov 2014 #138

Sometime negoldie Nov 2014 #137

Yes, unmitigated flamingdem Nov 2014 #30

Other than the several dozen regular posters here Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #31

Agreed. Our candidates should NOT be apologizing. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2014 #37

Bottom Line: Democrats Need To Own and Defend Our Successes TomCADem Nov 2014 #40

She didn't run to the right Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #41

That's not running to the right? Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #51

Touché Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #65

In the words of my mom, "Looks good on her!" Old Nick Nov 2014 #42

Grimes Robbins Nov 2014 #44

She should have brought Obama in to campaign with her like Anthony Brown did in MD Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #45

And we all know how well that worked out theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #122

Not sure treestar Nov 2014 #49

It sure was a disaster.eom sheshe2 Nov 2014 #50

Her problem was that she ran an epically bad campaign. tritsofme Nov 2014 #53

Running to the right compounded the errors LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #60

She was accused of being a "baby-killin', "atheist".... kentuck Nov 2014 #64

Do you think the way she portrayed herself LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #67

I think she probably helped to keep the State Legislature blue... kentuck Nov 2014 #98

I agree. It was the last stretch where she fell down..I do not riversedge Nov 2014 #81

Obama won in 2012 with the biggest landslide election in modern times. SansACause Nov 2014 #62

I will ask again Skittles Nov 2014 #63

In 2012, Obama lost Kentucky by 23%. Grimes did better this year, under much less favorable Chathamization Nov 2014 #82

Obama lost KY 37-60 in 2012 madville Nov 2014 #86

Obama won decisively, but I wouldn't call either election a landslide. tritsofme Nov 2014 #87

How well did Obama do in Kentucky during his 2012 landslide? Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #139

Good, glad she is gone. Tommy2Tone Nov 2014 #68

Something to note: kentuck Nov 2014 #74

I lost all respect for her after I saw her refuse to address the question about voting for Obama... George II Nov 2014 #70

Maybe that was a mistake? kentuck Nov 2014 #75

But as I pointed out she was maybe 2% behind McConnell a week before, she lost by eight times that % George II Nov 2014 #85

The polling this year was shown to be light years off the mark theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #124

Grimes lost because she failed to articulate ACA effectively. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #76

Except for the fact that Kentucky is 90% white and Obama is black, and the Koch brothers spent . . . Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #97

She failed. Plain and simple. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #100

Please don't say that? kentuck Nov 2014 #102

I don't deal in hypotheticals... Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #103

You may be right on that point? kentuck Nov 2014 #105

I know they all can't be walking idiots. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #107

Even if Obama's approval was 29%? kentuck Nov 2014 #113

Yes. Because apparently Kynect is popular there. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #114

Let me give you some figures. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #110

100% Agree dbackjon Nov 2014 #77

Truman knew what the hell he as talking about. n/t tabasco Nov 2014 #80

Most definitely was a bad move. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #88

i hear tell mopinko Nov 2014 #90

"Low poll numbers." moondust Nov 2014 #99

You hit the nail on the head. If only she only ran to the left she would have won KY by a landslide still_one Nov 2014 #101

Should have gone with Ashley Judd bluestateguy Nov 2014 #111

there's the quote again. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #119

Maybe she DIDN'T VOTE for Obama??? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #120

What idiot told her not to say who she voted for in '08? fadedrose Nov 2014 #125

I know, huh, fadedrose.. She said she was a Clinton Dem.. and the difference is?.. Cha Nov 2014 #131

I wonder if that might have come from DSCC.?? kentuck Nov 2014 #135

Why couldn't she do what others did? fadedrose Nov 2014 #147

Her situation was not the same as others. kentuck Nov 2014 #148

Well, it was not dishonesty.. fadedrose Nov 2014 #151

Obama threw her under the bus.. kentuck Nov 2014 #155

Good for Harry Truman fadedrose Nov 2014 #126

Bravo! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #128

Racism beat her in Kentucky get the red out Nov 2014 #129

And it won't change unless there is reason for the change nolabels Nov 2014 #140

Thus ever for Vichy Dems. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #134

Being anti coal,... in a state that depends on coal was not a brilliant game plan. NM_Birder Nov 2014 #141

Excpet she was very much pro-coal LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #143

A wonderful piece of the script, meant for public acceptance. NM_Birder Nov 2014 #146

Obviously. .. kentuck Nov 2014 #150

Obviously...... What was thought to be just a few percentage points of difference in polling NM_Birder Nov 2014 #153

Her supporters were very enthusiastic... kentuck Nov 2014 #157

you know more than I, I've never actually set foot in Kentucky. NM_Birder Nov 2014 #159

Right, and there was the problem LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #160

better the devil you know...., NM_Birder Nov 2014 #162

You cannot prove a negative... kentuck Nov 2014 #144

No, we can't know that LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #145

Name a candidate who cozied up to Obama and won..... brooklynite Nov 2014 #149

Her screechy, sing-song-y whiney voice was no help to her either SoCalDem Nov 2014 #152

I disagree with that description.. kentuck Nov 2014 #158

Her strategy of using the Clintons ecstatic Nov 2014 #154

Judd wouldn't have performed any worse than ALG. SableonBlonde Nov 2014 #161

I'm not so sure.... kentuck Nov 2014 #164