A pornographer (and atheist) explains why the science guy’s shirt crash-landed

[Ravenna44]

78. Trying to understand...

Trying to understand your point, because I think you are speaking civilly, but I am afraid you lost me at the start. Are you pointing to a few tiny factoids ("Angela merkel.... German porn...oppressed Egyptian women&quot and coming out with the sweeping statement that "clearly, sexualization of women has nothing to do with misogyny."??

First of all, Egyptian women ARE utterly sexualized, if by sexualized one means "viewed as sexual" or "cast as sexual". They are ordered to wrap up from hair to toenails because the prevailing culture insists that every particle of a woman - even her wrists, the sound of her feet striking pavement, her eyes above her niqab - is ALL the equivalent of tits and ass. Street harrassment of women is horrible in Egypt because they are viewed as sexual targets for male sport, not as human people the ways males are human people. (And please don't argue; I married a Muslim Arab guy and probably know more than you about the subject.)

Second, are you saying that because Germany has some women in high political office, as well as other women in tight skirts, one can draw conclusions about males and females, society, misogyny? Most countries have both powerful women and scantily clad women - even Egypt has both if you look, actually - but I don't see what that proves or how it argues against my previous post. Women still deal with discrimination and sexism in the countries that elected Indira Gandhi and Violetta Chamorro, and there are lots of sexy-dressed women in those countries too. I just don't see what point you are trying to make and how it relates to me getting offended when a guy wears a naked-lady shirt!

If you are saying the guy has every right to wear what he wants because his individual right to T-shirt choice trumps my right to rip it off him in irritation, I think the law agrees with you and so do I.

But if he wears something that bothers me - for reasons I tried to explain in my previous post - I am allowed to say it bothers me. And you are allowed to say it doesn't bother you. What's wrong with that?

Perhaps we should agree to disagree.