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In reply to the discussion: A pornographer (and atheist) explains why the science guy’s shirt crash-landed [View all]Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)150. Explain what I should be getting
I will explain my personal feelings about said shirt:
I hesitate to criticize the man's clothing, for fear of hordes of psycho men calling for my head on a pike, but in the interest of better understanding, I will load all the weapons and proceed.
We do tend to judge people based on what they wear.
I know the Mennonites aren't gonna want to bum a smoke in public. I know the old lady in the housecoat dependent on a walker at the corner market probably isn't the one setting fire to the woods and leaving broken beer bottles everywhere out there. I know the guy in a business suit with the tidy nails doesn't do hands-on work on cars or machinery for a living.
If I encounter a guy in a professional setting, outside of a business at the beach or a bar, wearing the Shirt in Question, I am creeped out. My thinking: This is probably a guy who is inappropriate in a lot of ways. One of those touchy-feely gropey rapey guys that make my skin crawl.
Or he's one of those letches who licks his lips a lot and makes really provocative comments at awkward times.
Maybe he's not like that at all. Great. I'm just telling you what I'm thinking given where we are today, in 2015, and given what I've experienced.
Having said that, I would not have even noticed Dude's choice of daywear had a bunch of guys not gone apeshit because another woman did notice it and did say something.
The crimes committed are those ugly things said by those who stalked this woman.
You cry "freedom!" for someone who exercised his and escaped without being told he should die, and ignore someone being trampled and told she'd be better off dead for exercising hers.
It's not logical but I'd love to hear how you work it out to be so.
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A pornographer (and atheist) explains why the science guy’s shirt crash-landed [View all]
demmiblue
Nov 2014
OP
Agreed! That shirt would be considered 'sexual harassment' at any workplace in this country!
LongTomH
Nov 2014
#147
we see it on here all the time, she has probably posted her opinion on various forums
JI7
Nov 2014
#11
guessthefuck is my new favorite magic word! because you made that sucker disappear!
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#232
There is a reason why court after court after court ruled that "pin up girls" created
Luminous Animal
Nov 2014
#90
Exactly. This is not new ground. The new ground is wanting their mad men environment
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#92
Hey guys. We do not want to be visually assaulted with characterizations of ourselves
Luminous Animal
Nov 2014
#96
A woman does not have to be personally offended by this to make it offensive.
Chemisse
Nov 2014
#102
bullshit, it sends a sexist message to the women and men in his workplace-and so-is inappropriate.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#60
and there ia not one monolithic enemy. workplaces have standards- and they change, whether you like
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#212
Nope. you have no idea how the women who work there feel, none made comments-
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#215
please don't trivialize the civil rights movement with your ridiculous comparison
blueboy2727
Nov 2014
#28
STEM fields are known for not only lack of women, but poor treatment of the women within them.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#169
It makes me so happy that this manchild is being destroyed for wearing a dirty shirt..
AngryAmish
Nov 2014
#22
You must be confusing me with another poster... I agree with everything you wrote except the final
hlthe2b
Nov 2014
#152
You're conflating far too many unrelated or nebulously-related concepts.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#38
As long as we're on the slippery slope, what about the guy's tattoos?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#81
One, he was in Europe. Two, are the women on the shirt really "half naked"?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#98
i think he probably did too. so it is unfortunate that so many are outraged for the fact that a
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#113
HUGE deal i tell you. making a statement is redefined by you as a HUGE deal.
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#119
Sorry, got better things to do than try to figure out what the * you're going on about.
polly7
Nov 2014
#120
For me, it's not about the shirt itself, so much as the hysterical (yes, I'll use that word here)
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#173
Or, the Twitter response may suggest that the *context* of the shirt (not the shirt per se) isn't so
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#181
Except no, the argument that cartoon women on a shirt have anything to do with someone's
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#185
It is. I can simultaneously condemn the nasty twitter response of a few loudmouths
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#207
I suspect that dude will never wear that shirt again. Hell, he may not ever wear ANY shirt again.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#158
So, you have backpedaled to it shouldn't be worn at work yet no one judge. Clfdem
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#89
It was my position from the beginning that it was inappropriate in the workplace.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#94
You are changing the argument. You went from spiel attacking feminists, women and others
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#95
My penis means I have no legitimate opinion on sexual politics. Got it.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#104
you tell women to shut up and let you lead. kinda like me telling blacks and gays to shut up,
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#109
Those who are privileged to not be in a systematically marginalized and oppressed
tblue37
Nov 2014
#139
i think they get it and have learned to argue it to shut women up, and allow them to create
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#140
It is something like a "No Girls Allowed" sign, in a certain sense. Good way to put it. n/t
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#178
It's inappropriate for the work environment because both the innocent message
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#219
you leave out all histories reality of oppression to create this lovefest of supposed equality.
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#112
It all boils down to this: "So it's hard to empathize." I truly get that. You are far from being
seaglass
Nov 2014
#115
LOL, it is a skill- there is nothing artistic about buying fabric and a pattern and sewing.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#146
yup- some sewers I have worked with professionally are masters, some just passable.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#167
and just because a pornographer and an atheist thinks this shirt is porny
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#87
I think she'd have more of a point if the shirt really was just pictures of naked women.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#80
He may have gotten carried away by the excitement over "mohawk guy" at JPL
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#85
i knew nothing about this. watched the OPs stay on top of first page, and never entered.
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#121
the flipside. a girl, young, inexperienced is raped on video. it is distriuted, seen, for male
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#127
and what is really ironic. these men are saying the shirt was inappropriate.
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#130
Excellent questions. I wonder about many of the same things myself, from my vantage point as a man.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#184
woman. and it is you and the others i run into on threads like these, that thrill me to staying on
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#135
It does have that "Heavy Metal" (the movie, not the music genre) sort of vibe to it.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2014
#183
here is the bottom line. we have a culture working hard as creating all women as mens porn.
seabeyond
Nov 2014
#125
What you call "delicate flowers" I call people who USE THEIR BRAINS instead of blindly accepting
alp227
Nov 2014
#182
I doubt he thought much about shoving anything in anyone's face, and that it was just probably
polly7
Nov 2014
#193
You must have seen another shirt. That one was ugly, not sexually explicit n/t
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2014
#224
Or maybe, just maybe, Ana Kasparian isn't an "Uncle Tom" as you put it, and maybe she's NOT saying
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#225
the opinion of "a pornographer" only becomes relevant to some when making a point they agree with
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#179
Yup. In a nutshell. That shirt completely negated the whole thing. For some. n/t
djean111
Nov 2014
#226
Remember when we all laughed at John Ashcroft for covering up the boobs on the statue?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2014
#236