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A pornographer (and atheist) explains why the science guy’s shirt crash-landed [View all] demmiblue Nov 2014 OP

Huge k&r for explaining it using small words. uppityperson Nov 2014 #1

Beautiful Tsiyu Nov 2014 #2

I don't understand how his management allowed him to wear it. tammywammy Nov 2014 #3

A good question mythology Nov 2014 #110

Agreed! That shirt would be considered 'sexual harassment' at any workplace in this country! LongTomH Nov 2014 #147

I bet he's worn it to work before...and I wonder how joeybee12 Nov 2014 #4

K&R F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #5

it also says hes a fooking idiot elehhhhna Nov 2014 #8

She's right and at the same time REP Nov 2014 #6

To mitigate the "prude" accusation. We've all seen it, even on DU. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #10

That's what I mean - why should she or any woman have to do that? REP Nov 2014 #12

Because we know it's always coming, that's why Warpy Nov 2014 #33

Indeed. 90% of the time liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #73

Far as I can tell she's no more a "pornographer" than E. L. James. joshcryer Nov 2014 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #230

Soft core, maybe. joshcryer Nov 2014 #233

we see it on here all the time, she has probably posted her opinion on various forums JI7 Nov 2014 #11

This was originally posted on her personal blog... demmiblue Nov 2014 #14

No, I get it. Sometimes we have to provide our 'bone fides' to be heard. As a genwah Nov 2014 #26

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Yeah, no it doesn't blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #7

wow the point is lost on you elehhhhna Nov 2014 #9

Intentionally missed wryter2000 Nov 2014 #18

"ask women" blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #24

well guessthefuck what? elehhhhna Nov 2014 #43

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guessthefuck is my new favorite magic word! because you made that sucker disappear! bettyellen Nov 2014 #232

There is a reason why court after court after court ruled that "pin up girls" created Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #90

Exactly. This is not new ground. The new ground is wanting their mad men environment seabeyond Nov 2014 #92

Hey guys. We do not want to be visually assaulted with characterizations of ourselves Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #96

A woman does not have to be personally offended by this to make it offensive. Chemisse Nov 2014 #102

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Something tells me he doesn't liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #74

wow entitlement up in that quote elehhhhna Nov 2014 #105

Way to miss the point. blackspade Nov 2014 #13

I also thought he looked like an idiot. blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #25

newsflash - people who become scientists decide to do so in highschool. elehhhhna Nov 2014 #44

bullshit, it sends a sexist message to the women and men in his workplace-and so-is inappropriate. bettyellen Nov 2014 #60

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and there ia not one monolithic enemy. workplaces have standards- and they change, whether you like bettyellen Nov 2014 #212

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Nope. you have no idea how the women who work there feel, none made comments- bettyellen Nov 2014 #215

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Yes, right! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #15

Most awesome first post evah wryter2000 Nov 2014 #21

please don't trivialize the civil rights movement with your ridiculous comparison blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #28

I'm an odd person, with odd tastes Scootaloo Nov 2014 #32

I agree that's it's tacky blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #34

The shirt is a piece of art. A one of a kind item. riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #55

Then he and the artist are both dumbasses mythology Nov 2014 #114

Right! Wearing an ugly shirt, shooting people Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #229

Respectfully disagree Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #61

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And there you have it, folks. liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #75

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Women's equality is trivial wryter2000 Nov 2014 #171

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now THAT is a freaking Grand Entrance. elehhhhna Nov 2014 #46

And I suppose you'be completely comfortable looking wryter2000 Nov 2014 #20

Life will not bend itself to accomodate your personal comfort blueboy2727 Nov 2014 #30

Damn well does in a work environment. Check out EEOC laws. seabeyond Nov 2014 #58

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in Europe? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #237

Thank you so much for clarifying how us liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #76

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STEM fields are known for not only lack of women, but poor treatment of the women within them. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #169

Awesome wryter2000 Nov 2014 #16

Totally inapropriate. ozone_man Nov 2014 #17

About the TV crew saying, 'dude not cool' Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #19

It makes me so happy that this manchild is being destroyed for wearing a dirty shirt.. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #22

Ummm...no, never mind.... genwah Nov 2014 #27

Not sure if you were being sarcastic... Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #68

Generally these days, DU is bad on nuance riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #69

+2 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #170

welcome to DU! renate Nov 2014 #176

Yes! Thanks! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #198

It is inappropriate, but the author's schtick is overwrought. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #23

Interesting point Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #29

Excellent post Tsiyu Nov 2014 #35

Here, you do seem to get it... hlthe2b Nov 2014 #145

Explain what I should be getting Tsiyu Nov 2014 #150

You must be confusing me with another poster... I agree with everything you wrote except the final hlthe2b Nov 2014 #152

I need a flow chart and I love you Tsiyu Nov 2014 #154

LOL.. no problem... hlthe2b Nov 2014 #155

Who sez being human isn't immense fun? Tsiyu Nov 2014 #156

You're conflating far too many unrelated or nebulously-related concepts. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38

So should teachers be allowed to wear such designs in class? Tsiyu Nov 2014 #42

I said it's inappropriate in a professional context. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #57

As long as we're on the slippery slope, what about the guy's tattoos? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #81

Of course he can wear the shirt! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #93

One, he was in Europe. Two, are the women on the shirt really "half naked"? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #98

I think he just had a d'oh moment when he woke up that morning and put it on. polly7 Nov 2014 #111

i think he probably did too. so it is unfortunate that so many are outraged for the fact that a seabeyond Nov 2014 #113

Kinda missing the 'poutage' from all the men who agreed, but whatever polly7 Nov 2014 #117

HUGE deal i tell you. making a statement is redefined by you as a HUGE deal. seabeyond Nov 2014 #119

Sorry, got better things to do than try to figure out what the * you're going on about. polly7 Nov 2014 #120

ya. you know. i dont get that. seabeyond Nov 2014 #122

No, I don't agree with you on pretty much anything ......... 'woman'. nt. polly7 Nov 2014 #126

you do. you know how i know? cause i often agree with you. seabeyond Nov 2014 #128

The shirt is simply idiotic typical sexism ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #142

Well that's convenient. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #159

Agree! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #133

+100 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #174

For me, it's not about the shirt itself, so much as the hysterical (yes, I'll use that word here) nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #173

And yet, the two things are separate. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #177

Or, the Twitter response may suggest that the *context* of the shirt (not the shirt per se) isn't so nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #181

Except no, the argument that cartoon women on a shirt have anything to do with someone's Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #185

Fair enough. Like I said, it's how you look at it. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #197

It is. I can simultaneously condemn the nasty twitter response of a few loudmouths Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #207

I've been waiting on you and here you are! Tsiyu Nov 2014 #107

I suspect that dude will never wear that shirt again. Hell, he may not ever wear ANY shirt again. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #158

Omg hot Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #204

... Tsiyu Nov 2014 #223

right?!! suck it up, women!!!1! elehhhhna Nov 2014 #48

Sarcasm has to be based on reality to succeed. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #59

nice insult there Kali Nov 2014 #62

If all you have are unexplained, out-of-thin-air smears... True Blue Door Nov 2014 #63

slander? Kali Nov 2014 #64

Congratulations, you've now managed to be LESS than monosyllabic. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #65

Some of us have heard it before. Kali Nov 2014 #66

Have you ever heard yourself before? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #67

... Kali Nov 2014 #71

Still at a loss for thoughts, I see. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #72

Ah... I know who you are. Yes indeed. seabeyond Nov 2014 #79

Who am I? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #88

You are the Walrus Tsiyu Nov 2014 #108

Am not. :p True Blue Door Nov 2014 #217

They see socks everywhere. Hayabusa Nov 2014 #160

(sigh) Be nice if people had more ideas than suspicions. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #218

Trying to understand... Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #78

I mean that in Egypt, the revealed female form is sternly repressed. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #86

So, you have backpedaled to it shouldn't be worn at work yet no one judge. Clfdem seabeyond Nov 2014 #89

It was my position from the beginning that it was inappropriate in the workplace. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #94

You are changing the argument. You went from spiel attacking feminists, women and others seabeyond Nov 2014 #95

I consider myself a (male) feminist. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #99

The male feminist defining feminism for us women and telling us who seabeyond Nov 2014 #101

My penis means I have no legitimate opinion on sexual politics. Got it. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #104

you tell women to shut up and let you lead. kinda like me telling blacks and gays to shut up, seabeyond Nov 2014 #109

Absolutely nobody has said that. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #234

Those who are privileged to not be in a systematically marginalized and oppressed tblue37 Nov 2014 #139

i think they get it and have learned to argue it to shut women up, and allow them to create seabeyond Nov 2014 #140

That is exactly it, and such a good post! KitSileya Nov 2014 #163

Thanks, Kit. nt tblue37 Nov 2014 #164

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #165

of course you do, of course you are Kali Nov 2014 #132

Thanks for a polite response Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #100

I don't want to be accused of "mansplaining," so please understand True Blue Door Nov 2014 #103

Disagree with your theory Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #106

It is something like a "No Girls Allowed" sign, in a certain sense. Good way to put it. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #178

It's inappropriate for the work environment because both the innocent message True Blue Door Nov 2014 #219

you leave out all histories reality of oppression to create this lovefest of supposed equality. seabeyond Nov 2014 #112

What the fuck are you talking about? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #220

It all boils down to this: "So it's hard to empathize." I truly get that. You are far from being seaglass Nov 2014 #115

I know I'm not, judging by some of the responses I've gotten. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #221

You know what? I love attractive females bodies too. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #175

Lol agreed! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #188

Well said. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #195

You're welcome to be a private person in your pleasures. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #222

The shirt was a gift to him vdogg Nov 2014 #31

For luck? Literally an epic fail for the guy. lexington filly Nov 2014 #36

The shirt was designed and created by a woman. riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #52

She bought existing fabric & sewed it together. Demit Nov 2014 #134

I can't do it and don't know anyone else who could riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #136

That's all very nice, but my point was she didn't design the fabric. Demit Nov 2014 #137

I'm sorry. You appear to be denigrating her abilities riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #141

Good grief! She can sew. A lot of people sew, even if you don't know any. Demit Nov 2014 #143

There are stores that sell patterns. tammywammy Nov 2014 #148

LOL, it is a skill- there is nothing artistic about buying fabric and a pattern and sewing. bettyellen Nov 2014 #146

IKR? laundry_queen Nov 2014 #166

yup- some sewers I have worked with professionally are masters, some just passable. bettyellen Nov 2014 #167

Just because the shirt was designed by a woman justiceischeap Nov 2014 #53

and just because a pornographer and an atheist thinks this shirt is porny Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #87

the only thing wrong with that shirt d_b Nov 2014 #37

That's what I noticed second (and quickly) about the picture customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #40

no, he's clearly a diabolical minion of the patriarchy d_b Nov 2014 #41

Yeah, I guess I hadn't considered that customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #45

Lol d_b Nov 2014 #49

I thought you'd enjoy that! n/t customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #51

You meet so many in this life Tsiyu Nov 2014 #47

kinda how it looks from here. elehhhhna Nov 2014 #50

pornagrapher... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #39

Probably not as fast as when you tell them you're a bass player. bluesbassman Nov 2014 #56

bass player, pornagrapher awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #70

I think those other guys make a lot more dough. bluesbassman Nov 2014 #77

I really don't see the big deal with the shirt. woolldog Nov 2014 #54

I think she'd have more of a point if the shirt really was just pictures of naked women. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #80

My take is 80s scifi. joshcryer Nov 2014 #84

He may have gotten carried away by the excitement over "mohawk guy" at JPL Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #85

You make an interesting point. joshcryer Nov 2014 #91

I like wearable art, but it's an ugly shirt IMHO. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #97

There would have been no fuss really Tsiyu Nov 2014 #118

i knew nothing about this. watched the OPs stay on top of first page, and never entered. seabeyond Nov 2014 #121

Oh, yeah Tsiyu Nov 2014 #124

the flipside. a girl, young, inexperienced is raped on video. it is distriuted, seen, for male seabeyond Nov 2014 #127

It's pretty sickening Tsiyu Nov 2014 #129

and what is really ironic. these men are saying the shirt was inappropriate. seabeyond Nov 2014 #130

Excellent questions. I wonder about many of the same things myself, from my vantage point as a man. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #184

This is all very true....nt riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #131

woman. and it is you and the others i run into on threads like these, that thrill me to staying on seabeyond Nov 2014 #135

No, there are two separate issues. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #157

It does have that "Heavy Metal" (the movie, not the music genre) sort of vibe to it. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #183

I can see clearly that there are faces of women on it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #187

The print Jesus Malverde Nov 2014 #186

The shirt is poor taste, that's about it. joshcryer Nov 2014 #83

Here's a pic of the woman who made that shirt. leeroysphitz Nov 2014 #116

here is the bottom line. we have a culture working hard as creating all women as mens porn. seabeyond Nov 2014 #125

Way to TOTALLY miss the point hlthe2b Nov 2014 #138

What's the point? Tsiyu Nov 2014 #144

The point is the shirt was inappropriate in a workplace. tammywammy Nov 2014 #149

Are you kidding me? leeroysphitz Nov 2014 #151

I have absolutely no idea what you are saying Tsiyu Nov 2014 #153

Lol! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #190

keep yourself safe for sure Tsiyu Nov 2014 #192

I love old and crotchety women! Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #196

I have no doubt you are raising awesome kids Tsiyu Nov 2014 #200

I'm not really bothered by the shirt in general, but MerryBlooms Nov 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #161

Go, Ana! polly7 Nov 2014 #162

It's fucking ridiculous. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #168

What you call "delicate flowers" I call people who USE THEIR BRAINS instead of blindly accepting alp227 Nov 2014 #182

Well, many women who USE THEIR BRAINS polly7 Nov 2014 #189

One can be sex-positive without being unnecessarily raunchy. alp227 Nov 2014 #191

I doubt he thought much about shoving anything in anyone's face, and that it was just probably polly7 Nov 2014 #193

"We've all done things that have offended someone at one time or another." alp227 Nov 2014 #194

So??? polly7 Nov 2014 #199

You must have seen another shirt. That one was ugly, not sexually explicit n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #224

Interesting Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #210

Or maybe, just maybe, Ana Kasparian isn't an "Uncle Tom" as you put it, and maybe she's NOT saying Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #225

You did not read my post I think Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #227

I'm a troll? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #228

Exactly right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #213

honest question joglee Nov 2014 #172

the opinion of "a pornographer" only becomes relevant to some when making a point they agree with Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #179

Was too busy to notice "shirtstorm". Let me get this straight LittleBlue Nov 2014 #180

Yup. In a nutshell. That shirt completely negated the whole thing. For some. n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #226

One of the most significant scientific accomplishments of all time... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #235

Remember when we all laughed at John Ashcroft for covering up the boobs on the statue? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #236