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Douglas Carpenter

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2. George Orwell did consider himself a Democratic Socialist - so his work was certainly

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:11 AM

Nov 2014

not anti-socialist - I was talking about finding the balance between capitalism and socialism - individualism and altruism - that is called being reasonable

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The Orwellian redefining of the meaning of the words "centrist" and "moderate" by the right wing [View all] Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 OP

You don't think calling socialism "altruism" is just a little bit Orwellian? n/t simak Nov 2014 #1

George Orwell did consider himself a Democratic Socialist - so his work was certainly Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #2

I understand. simak Nov 2014 #4

IMO selfishness is closer to the opposite of socialism than individualism HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #8

So here we go again.... daleanime Nov 2014 #15

Sort of depends on whether it's run by friends or enemies... HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #20

I stipulate to your definitions of socialism and communism. simak Nov 2014 #25

God forbid we should all mean the same thing when we use a word. merrily Nov 2014 #53

Definitions: Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #19

You're right. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. merrily Nov 2014 #51

That's not altruism. simak Nov 2014 #75

My post said not a thing about forced or voluntary. merrily Nov 2014 #79

Voluntary is implied when you use altruism. simak Nov 2014 #81

The selling point doesn't determine everyone's motivation; and motivation is what matters merrily Nov 2014 #82

Socialism is not charity. simak Nov 2014 #83

You may need to read my post 51 again. I never said socialism was charity. merrily Nov 2014 #84

But you are saying that socialism is altruistic. simak Nov 2014 #85

No, I did not say that at all. You read that into what I did say. merrily Nov 2014 #86

You actually said "From each according to his ability..." was the epitome of altruism. simak Nov 2014 #89

hasn't there also been a redefining of the meaning of those words by the left wing? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #3

where is the middle ground on pay equity? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #6

Contentious issues, to be sure wyldwolf Nov 2014 #11

OK...thanks. what other issues noiretextatique Nov 2014 #13

Yes, there has been. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #7

I hope you don't mind if I try to answer your question Martin Eden Nov 2014 #9

Punctuation aside, it was much more of an accusation than a question. merrily Nov 2014 #57

The purists are out to destroy FDR's center-left Democratic coalition. baldguy Nov 2014 #10

your hyperbolic nonsense is tiresome noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14

The "more-liberal-than-thou" nonsense is tiresome. baldguy Nov 2014 #16

that's in your head noiretextatique Nov 2014 #21

noiretextatique asked you very good specific questions. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #22

The purists have the same objectives as the extremist RW Republicans. baldguy Nov 2014 #24

So in other words, you got nothin' LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #30

A lie is less than nothing. merrily Nov 2014 #58

List those objectives AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #35

This is the moment you lost any credibility you might have had left, just fyi. Marr Nov 2014 #39

This moment? NO that poster lost all credibility defending the Bush regime on DU2. Rex Nov 2014 #48

Interesting. I did not know that. Explains a lot. merrily Nov 2014 #55

That is a fucking lie. And you are a fucking liar. baldguy Nov 2014 #73

I have never seen him post on anything but how much he hates the left. merrily Nov 2014 #56

And... Oilwellian Nov 2014 #78

Again, you are at least as much of a purist as any other poster here, and much more than some. merrily Nov 2014 #54

How am I a purist? baldguy Nov 2014 #65

How aren't you? (Btw, your post just gave me a purity test.) merrily Nov 2014 #66

If you don't like purity tests, then stop trying to use them. baldguy Nov 2014 #68

Please don't be so dishonest. I have never given you a purity test. merrily Nov 2014 #69

You're certainly on the side of the phony "progressive" purists baldguy Nov 2014 #72

That's some pure baloney you're posting again, baldguy. At least you're consistent! merrily Nov 2014 #74

Big talk coming from someone who won't say they'll vote for the Democrat in 2016. baldguy Nov 2014 #76

He's just upset because his attempts to make people think it's Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #77

Trotting out the Strawman AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #34

No. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #12

Radical responses are not acceptable from the right or left, no, not everyone is radical left or Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #80

No, the entire point of the OP LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #29

Exactly! n/t Martin Eden Nov 2014 #31

Yes, and that poster is fully aware of the fact - and likes it that way LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #36

You don't understand? merrily Nov 2014 #61

Bam. Nailed it. merrily Nov 2014 #59

thank you Mr. Wolf I will interpret your words as a compliment Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #43

^ ^ YUP ^ ^ wyldwolf Nov 2014 #44

Yet, in 2008, each of Hillary and Obama included Reagan on her and his list merrily Nov 2014 #60

Most if the criticism is of phony "centrism" in quotes Armstead Nov 2014 #45

Centrists and Republicans moved the measuring stick by calling every Democrat a liberal. merrily Nov 2014 #52

+1 ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #70

Dude billhicks76 Nov 2014 #5

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #17

1980's moderate Republicans- Orwellian term indeed. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #18

Huge K&R. They are not "centrists." They are extremists dismantling democracy itself. woo me with science Nov 2014 #23

Yes indeed. Spot on. n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #27

This, a thousand times. hifiguy Nov 2014 #33

I hope Sanders runs and talks about the forces that are "dismantling democracy" - polichick Nov 2014 #49

thanks for your links with some enlightening details Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #50

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. stone space Nov 2014 #26

Ha! That song often comes to mind when thinking about politics. polichick Nov 2014 #47

+1000.... This redefining is perhaps the most consequential accomplishment of RW propaganda.\, and Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #28

For the last thirty years, the M$M has been industriously redefining hifiguy Nov 2014 #32

I've always thought "centrist" should refer to the spectrum of debate within the *party*. Marr Nov 2014 #37

"Centrist" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #38

Yeah-- that's weird, isn't it? Marr Nov 2014 #41

baldguy is one of the most extreme purists who posts at DU. merrily Nov 2014 #64

At DU, many claim to be liberals, even, lately, democratic socialists or socialists, but, you know, merrily Nov 2014 #62

Policies aren't "Democratic" and "Republican"... brooklynite Nov 2014 #71

Negotiation is a bad word AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #87

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2014 #40

thanks -- Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #42

"Everything faded into the mist. The past was erased. The erasure was forgotten. The lie became Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #46

With all due respect to Orwell, the lie never becomes the truth. merrily Nov 2014 #63

First step is to stop caring how the right-wing defines anything. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #67

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #88

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #90

Nice post. madfloridian Nov 2014 #91