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mvymvy

(309 posts)
27. The Candidate with the Most Votes Should Win
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

Most American voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans think it would be wrong for the candidate with the most popular votes to lose. We don't allow this in any other election in our representative republic.

From 1932-2008 the combined popular vote for Presidential candidates added up to Democrats: 745,407,082 and Republican: 745,297,123 — a virtual tie.

The red states are redder than the blue states are blue.

Foreseeing apocalyptic numbers of religiously motivated voters as a reason for keeping a system where most people's votes don't count for anything is not a compelling argument.

If presidential campaigns polled, organized, visited, and appealed to more than the current 63,000,000 of 314,000,000 Americans, one would reasonably expect that voter turnout would rise in 80% of the country that is currently ignored by presidential campaigns.

Having election results determined by the candidate getting the most individual votes is not some scary, untested idea loaded with unintended consequences.

National Popular Vote makes every vote equal and every voter matter to the candidates. It adds up votes of all voters in each state and the candidate with the most popular votes from the states wins, as in virtually every other election in the country.

The current state-by-state winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes maximizes the incentive and opportunity for fraud, mischief, coercion, intimidation, confusion, and voter suppression. A very few people can change the national outcome by adding, changing, or suppressing a small number of votes in one closely divided battleground state. With the current system all of a state's electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who receives a bare plurality of the votes in each state. The sheer magnitude of the national popular vote number, compared to individual state vote totals, is much more robust against manipulation.

National Popular Vote would limit the benefits to be gained by fraud or voter suppression. One suppressed vote would be one less vote. One fraudulent vote would only win one vote in the return. In the current electoral system, one fraudulent vote could mean 55 electoral votes, or just enough electoral votes to win the presidency without having the most popular votes in the country.

The closest popular-vote election count over the last 130+ years of American history (in 1960), had a nationwide margin of more than 100,000 popular votes. The closest electoral-vote election in American history (in 2000) was determined by 537 votes, all in one state, when there was a lead of 537,179 (1,000 times more) popular votes nationwide.

For a national popular vote election to be as easy to switch as 2000, it would have to be two hundred times closer than the 1960 election--and, in popular-vote terms, forty times closer than 2000 itself.

Which system offers vote suppressors or fraudulent voters a better shot at success for a smaller effort?

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I think that many here might be unpleasantly surprised by a popular vote system Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #1
You're assuming a binary winner-takes-all system unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #2
If you get rid of the electoral college SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #4
You'll notice I was talking in hypotheticals unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #6
Getting one Constitutional amendment done is big enough of a hurdle SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #9
Who cares? unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #10
My bad SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #12
The National Popular Vote Bill - 61% of the way of going into effect mvymvy Nov 2014 #28
Thanks SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #30
and what is wrong with that concept wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #8
congressional districts should have a maximum allowed in any one district wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #5
Yep. unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #7
I have been against the electoral college since 1969 wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #3
The Candidate with the Most Votes Should Win mvymvy Nov 2014 #27
I have a degree in political science from the Electoral College. kwassa Nov 2014 #11
I'm sure the Founding Fathers came up with the idea customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #13
Minorities and women didn't have the vote until 1920 and 1964. CK_John Nov 2014 #22
unless there is sarcasm here ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2014 #42
Yes, thanks customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #45
On paper... world wide wally Nov 2014 #14
I actually think that getting rid of it, would be more of a disenfranchisment KMOD Nov 2014 #15
No shit, that is where the people are! One person, one vote. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #16
Doesn't it already? Through the House votes? n/t KMOD Nov 2014 #17
So issues important to North Dakota don't matter? davidn3600 Nov 2014 #18
A North Dakotan vote shouldn't have more weight in choosing a president ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #20
You are thinking about it in a skewed way, I think ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #19
Safe states, and swing states aren't static. KMOD Nov 2014 #31
States' Partisanship Has Hardened mvymvy Nov 2014 #33
Big City & Campaign Realities mvymvy Nov 2014 #34
Political Realities of Big States. They would not decide every election mvymvy Nov 2014 #26
8 small western states KMOD Nov 2014 #32
Small States Support a National Popular Vote mvymvy Nov 2014 #35
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #36
Be careful what you wish for zipplewrath Nov 2014 #21
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #23
When Every Vote is Equal and Matters, Turnout does and will Increase mvymvy Nov 2014 #24
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #25
No zipplewrath Nov 2014 #29
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #37
Tad Deceiving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #38
One Person, One Vote, Each Equal, Each Matters Equally, Most Votes Wins mvymvy Nov 2014 #39
And this will get worse with a purely popular vote zipplewrath Nov 2014 #40
Political Reality and Experience Don't Agree mvymvy Nov 2014 #41
Again decieving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #43
I have been saying this for years AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #44
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